Labour isn't Working - Thread 42

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙☕️

We're gearing up for the Burnham budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Oh my well done, but scary!

Have a wonderful time

Enjoy your hols, Nuthatch - I hope your return flight is smoother.

Have a great time @Nuthatch26 !

Have a wonderful time @Nuthatch26 . Just chilling for a while.

Omg Raynor on bbc this am Laura K.
Bare faced lying " he's been really clear we are not reopening that debate " on free movement ...

Lk " he's literally just reopened that debate ".

No he hasn't .

Showing the clip about ab saying he doesn't want to re run old brexit debates.

They want an honest conversation on the facts ...

She wants to see the best deal for her constituents ....have an honest conversation ...the conversation. ....we can't go back but how can we go forward.

He wants to have the conversation nothing should be odd the table .

Can anyone comprehend this madness ?

No he hasn’t at all I agree. Re run that Makerfield clip indeed.

Young people in the EU are not happy, France, Italy, Spain. Stay out of it, rather than open up to the same. He lied but also that nostalgia. The EU is changing politically.

It’s the Burnham way. Say what suits at the time and then deny any u-turn or contradiction. And send ministers out to make the same denials.

The pro-EU statements are to excite the centre-left. The ‘won’t go back to Brexit’ statements were for the voters of Makerfield, a Leave area.

He’s just a political charlatan.

It seems The Conversation is the new buzzword.

Let me be clear, we need to have the conversation going forward.

I lost count of the number of times she said, "Let me be clear."

The irony, of course, is none in this diabolical Government is clear about anything (except tax and spend, that is). We're all riding a destructive political rollercoaster.

Oooh, an adrenaline rush!

Hope you have a lovely break, @Nuthatch26

Incisive as usual @EasternStandard

Rayner remains the defining symbol of much that is wrong with the UK.

France, like the UK and Germany are in terminal decline due to the western left's flagship policy of open borders (and with a focus on the least skilled and least culturally compatible men they could apparently find).

The economic and political centre of Europe will have to shift East to more stable countries like Poland, Hungary, Estonia and Finland who have not made the same catastrophic errors, and who will emerge as the new, natural leaders of the EU. This will take time and a significant amount of pain for the rest.

Burnham’s timing could scarcely be worse.

Reminds one of Donald Trump, no?

Just say whatever, whenever with no need for coherence or honesty. Expect to get away with it.

Re the budget. So they've already raised taxes by £70bn over 2 budgets, to fix it and build strong foundations and head room. But theres another £38bn black hole.

I know VAT and fuel and markets are playing a part, but over £100bn in 3 budgets. I dont get it

" calm down and sit folks yeah? All we are gonna do is have a little chit chat ,that's all .nothing to be scared about ok...it's just a conversation that's all. Nothing more and nothing less just a conversation....no harm dun yeah...there we are ..."

It beggars all belief it really couldn't be worse.
There are so many Ifs...and none of them work.

Some taxes have backfired. They’ve hit businesses, or made people alter their behaviour.

Re the shape shifting Burnham and Brexit lies, I agree with you all.

What I don't get is, if they were so intent on high migration, it would be perfectly possible to target it so you got people moving here who were net contributers and more culturally compatible - both by deals with specific countries, and simply being quite selective globally about educational levels.

If you're insistent on importing the low-skilled, it only works if you're an incredibly strictly policed country, and don't offer any benefits. Generous welfare and large numbers of the unskilled is an utter disaster.

I'm sure there would still have been some people who didn't like it, but not this mass discontent and brewing trouble.

Agree.
Raynor really showed herself up this am LK was v v good.

As we've already seen.

An honest conversation about free movement would start with the sheer level of costs and damages done by blairs actions.
Not that we would ever possibly uncover the true scale !
Id say it was one of the greatest acts of harm done to us since ww2.

All of that; Blair was a disaster for this country. Also, there are many who say he should have stood trial over his collusion with Bush and actions against Iraq.

Of course. I agree. Enough people would take up highly skilled visas from the countries we want to do so. It doesn’t require FOM.

I think there was some figures floating around proving that the tax take has reduced?

Random round up from here…

Mum was asking me why other countries seem to be better sorted in terms of the infrastructure for gas, electricity and water. She was thinking is because they pay more tax. But I was thinking that over the years, no government has suggested that it’s the cost of maintaining infrastructure that’s the issue. They all seem to have felt that it was unnecessary. And they’ve obviously made ideological decisions about oil etc - which many of us have been shrieking about for years. And they’ve had plenty of money to waste on things like HS2.

Then we are in a bind because if we did genuinely need an increased tax taken in order to pay for it, nobody would trust them.

I don’t know any of this stuff for sure, and I’ve never lived in any of the European countries that mum was using as a comparison. I understand that France, Germany etc are much better sorted in terms of domestic energy provision.

I know infrastructure is boring, but I’ll be interested if anyone’s got any thoughts.

At least it’s been a quiet weekend. Two terrible film choices for me in a row. Last night, I saw “The Good Liar” with Ian McKellen and Helen Mirren. I managed to complete it but it is diabolically bad. Thank goodness I didn’t drag my arse to the cinema to go and see that.

Then this evening I tried to watch something called “12 in a box” - it was billed as Miranda Hart and Katie Wix. Couldn’t even finish it and apparently Miranda’s only in it for five minutes.

Here ends my random round up 😂

Big old storm Boelo visited me today.

I saw something about some random HMRC letters personally sent to all the UK's "wealthy"?
*200k p/a or 2 mil in assets.

Just saw how many typos there were in my post

I might need an early night….

@KathleenDarleenDayKnight yes I nearly got blown away today…. And there was a man walking his dogs …who did not look happy.