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Putney Pusher suspect found dead, according to reports

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Fartughtyred · 16/09/2026 15:00

Goodness me, wasn't expecting that.

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EatingSky · 18/09/2026 00:20

parakeet · 16/09/2026 17:47

I hate to question someone's lived experience as they say, but...WHAT? I've lived in London 30 years and never once had a man randomly shove me, nor heard of this from any of my friends.

I’ve lived in London all my life and it’s happened to me several times - I’ve also been chased/grabbed three or four times and managed to get away by sheer luck.

JustHereForTheShitsAndGiggles · 18/09/2026 00:29

SquirrelsAreGo · 17/09/2026 23:38

Just as a matter of interest, when in the commission of a crime, people are sometimes seen to have "dark" eyes when that's not their normal colour.

The emotional response, whether extreme anger or a predatory arousal, leads to physiological changes, such as an adrenaline spike. The pupils can become so dilated that, together with sometimes an intense stare, can cause a witness to say that the attacker had brown or black eyes.

You're absolutely right about the "dark" eyes. My ex had blue eyes but when he was angry they were black - it was chilling.

Catullus5 · 18/09/2026 03:29

prh47bridge · 17/09/2026 23:39

The prosecution argued for common assault in the appeal. To prove common assault, they would have to show that Grey's conduct caused Mrs Ward (the cyclist) to think she was going to use unlawful force and that the threat of force was intentional or reckless

To prove recklessness, the prosecution would have to show that Grey was aware of the risk that Mrs Ward would think she was going to use unlawful force, that she nevertheless decided to take that risk and that, in the circumstances, it was an unreasonable risk for her to take.

The Court of Appeal found that, taken at its highest, the prosecution case was that Mrs Ward may perhaps have feared a blow. That is not enough for a conviction for common assault. The prosecution would need to convince the jury beyond reasonable doubt that Grey's actions actually did cause Mrs Ward to fear a blow. "May perhaps" is nowhere near good enough.

Even in the unlikely event that the prosecution could overcome that hurdle, they would then have had to look at Grey's state of mind. Given her disabilities and cognitive issues, it is unlikely they would have been able to convince a jury that any perceived threat of force was intentional or reckless.

For a conviction for unlawful offence manslaughter, the seriousness of the offence that caused the victim to die is irrelevant - any intentional unlawful act that exposes others to a risk of harm is enough. Common assault, if proven, would have been enough to sustain the conviction. The issue was that there simply was not enough evidence to convict Grey of common assault or any other offence, and therefore she could not be guilty of unlawful act manslaughter.

So no, it is not that the acts were not serious enough. And the Court of Appeal acknowledged that Mrs Ward died as a result of Grey's actions. They specifically said that her death was a tragedy and the circumstances were horrific, and they acknowledged that Grey's actions contributed to her death even though they did not constitute a criminal offence.

Thanks for the explanation. What a balls up.

susiedaisy1912 · 18/09/2026 06:55

Is it possible that he had the tattoo removed?

likelysuspect · 18/09/2026 07:15

I couldn't tell you the colour of most of my colleagues eyes, let alone a random stranger. I don't think I take notice of the colour. Is there a clip of the pushing somewhere, lots of posters seem to have seen it

NoWordForFluffy · 18/09/2026 07:45

likelysuspect · 18/09/2026 07:15

I couldn't tell you the colour of most of my colleagues eyes, let alone a random stranger. I don't think I take notice of the colour. Is there a clip of the pushing somewhere, lots of posters seem to have seen it

It's in the BBC story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6783ekp0yn8oHow

CypressGrove · 18/09/2026 07:51

If he wasn't the pusher, and the police can confirm that (ie because he was elsewhere at the time) then I think the family are right to be asking why it took so long to clear him (given we all knew who they were accusing). Its all well and good to say well why would he kill himself if he was innocent but the accusations hanging over his head may have been the straw that broke the camels back.

Bitsostuff · 18/09/2026 08:01

Seems this man was tried and convicted by social media. So much quicker and more satisfying than the actual courts, if you're not too fussy about the truth or someone being allowed to defend themselves. And now he's handly committed suicide so we can all pat ourselves on the back and tell ourselves justice was served.

I wonder whether they'll bother to run the dna now?

Bitsostuff · 18/09/2026 08:03

CypressGrove · 18/09/2026 07:51

If he wasn't the pusher, and the police can confirm that (ie because he was elsewhere at the time) then I think the family are right to be asking why it took so long to clear him (given we all knew who they were accusing). Its all well and good to say well why would he kill himself if he was innocent but the accusations hanging over his head may have been the straw that broke the camels back.

Not just the accusations, the hate campaign on sm. As you can see from this thread people don't need someone to be charged, let alone be convicted, to proclaim guilt.

Somethinggg · 18/09/2026 08:08

Bitsostuff · 18/09/2026 08:01

Seems this man was tried and convicted by social media. So much quicker and more satisfying than the actual courts, if you're not too fussy about the truth or someone being allowed to defend themselves. And now he's handly committed suicide so we can all pat ourselves on the back and tell ourselves justice was served.

I wonder whether they'll bother to run the dna now?

There's DNA?

likelysuspect · 18/09/2026 08:14

Bitsostuff · 18/09/2026 08:03

Not just the accusations, the hate campaign on sm. As you can see from this thread people don't need someone to be charged, let alone be convicted, to proclaim guilt.

Yes, I mean so far we have had a smattering of psychiatric diagnoses, a colourful picture of his ability as a a husband and father, wonderment of how he got his job, accusations of misconduct while serving, have I missed anything?

All of that might be true of course but people are light on actual facts in this case. Just going by ' smirks' and his lineage.

O personally don't think it would have affected his job to have a conviction surely he already has one for the Hyde Park incident? His employer doesn't seem too bothered about it? So not sure it was the thought of that, that made him kill himself.

PrettyLittleRose · 18/09/2026 08:18

NoTimeForThisShit · 17/09/2026 22:50

Thank you!
I do hope his handmaiden MintyBadger shuffles off with him🤣

😆

HoraceCope · 18/09/2026 08:28

his alibi is an email sent from his office,
you can delay the time to send but what would be the point?

Somethinggg · 18/09/2026 08:28

This time would be a drug conviction, whereas Hyde Park was just driving without due care and attention and failing to stop. Possession of Class A carries potentially much more significant penalties than the slap on the wrist he got for the motorbike incident. He could've been looking at much more. We also don't know what was being said behind the scenes there.

At minimum, the likelihood of a conviction and potential impact on his job creates plausible suicide risk factors for a high status man. There's quite a lot written about that, and it got aired recently when Jason Arday killed himself (not wanting to bring that already very controversial and heavily discussed subject onto this thread, just an example of people discussing this).

Westfacing · 18/09/2026 08:29

likelysuspect · 18/09/2026 08:14

Yes, I mean so far we have had a smattering of psychiatric diagnoses, a colourful picture of his ability as a a husband and father, wonderment of how he got his job, accusations of misconduct while serving, have I missed anything?

All of that might be true of course but people are light on actual facts in this case. Just going by ' smirks' and his lineage.

O personally don't think it would have affected his job to have a conviction surely he already has one for the Hyde Park incident? His employer doesn't seem too bothered about it? So not sure it was the thought of that, that made him kill himself.

O personally don't think it would have affected his job to have a conviction surely he already has one for the Hyde Park incident? His employer doesn't seem too bothered about it? So not sure it was the thought of that, that made him kill himself.

From what I've read he was suspended from his job after police found drugs at his home

HoraceCope · 18/09/2026 08:31

i think its fairly normal to be on suspension if under arrest

likelysuspect · 18/09/2026 08:41

Somethinggg · 18/09/2026 08:28

This time would be a drug conviction, whereas Hyde Park was just driving without due care and attention and failing to stop. Possession of Class A carries potentially much more significant penalties than the slap on the wrist he got for the motorbike incident. He could've been looking at much more. We also don't know what was being said behind the scenes there.

At minimum, the likelihood of a conviction and potential impact on his job creates plausible suicide risk factors for a high status man. There's quite a lot written about that, and it got aired recently when Jason Arday killed himself (not wanting to bring that already very controversial and heavily discussed subject onto this thread, just an example of people discussing this).

Yes true enough.

Bitsostuff · 18/09/2026 08:45

Somethinggg · 18/09/2026 08:08

There's DNA?

DNA was taken from the woman who was pushed (not her DNA, DNA presumed to be from her attacker) according to the family of the accused. One would think it would be quite straightforward to run a dna comparison but that's not happened yet.

Westfacing · 18/09/2026 08:51

How could he have left any sort of DNA in that brief contact time?

likelysuspect · 18/09/2026 08:56

Bitsostuff · 18/09/2026 08:45

DNA was taken from the woman who was pushed (not her DNA, DNA presumed to be from her attacker) according to the family of the accused. One would think it would be quite straightforward to run a dna comparison but that's not happened yet.

Did he spit at her or something? Because otherwise there's no DNA from pushing someone i wouldn't have thought

EasternStandard · 18/09/2026 09:00

Westfacing · 18/09/2026 08:51

How could he have left any sort of DNA in that brief contact time?

Same. I’m not sure where the DNA info has come from.

prh47bridge · 18/09/2026 09:14

Westfacing · 18/09/2026 08:51

How could he have left any sort of DNA in that brief contact time?

Any contact between you and someone else results in a transfer of DNA. We are shedding skin cells all the time. The pusher will almost certainly have left some skin cells on the victim's clothing. It only needs around 15-20 skin cells to recover a complete DNA profile.

Westfacing · 18/09/2026 09:20

prh47bridge · 18/09/2026 09:14

Any contact between you and someone else results in a transfer of DNA. We are shedding skin cells all the time. The pusher will almost certainly have left some skin cells on the victim's clothing. It only needs around 15-20 skin cells to recover a complete DNA profile.

Yes I understand about shedding of skin shells - but what are the realistic chances that the police tested for DNA in this case?

The victim's coat could have been full of others' DNA simply by being out and about at home/work/public transport etc

cattussuperior · 18/09/2026 09:42

I suppose the family can say he’s innocent because technically he is, as he hasn’t been (and now can’t be) convicted. It’s a very strange case though…. I would have thought there must be some pretty compelling evidence for him to be investigated this thoroughly? Can’t see how DNA could be conclusive evidence as a pp said, there could be traces from numerous people if you’ve been in a busy area. The eye colour thing doesn’t seem relevant either - apparently the pusher kept on running past so how would the victim have a clear look? And the email sent from the office could have been a scheduled one to send at a certain time. Presumably there would be conclusive evidence from colleagues and cctv (though of course this would likely have been deleted now) if this man had actually been in his office at the time of the crime.

Bitsostuff · 18/09/2026 09:44

Westfacing · 18/09/2026 09:20

Yes I understand about shedding of skin shells - but what are the realistic chances that the police tested for DNA in this case?

The victim's coat could have been full of others' DNA simply by being out and about at home/work/public transport etc

The police apparently told Grey that they had the attackers dna and were going to compare it with his own. But then months passed and one of their final communications with him was that they couldn't say when it would happen.