Thread 3 Burnham: Receso para reorganizarse

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I suppose if I lived in Clacton i might also be thinking, do I really want BF for my MP for the duration? Or would I rather wait for the 'real' election to vote for a 'real' MP I did want.
Add to this the fact everyone knew it was in the bag, it was 37 degrees, the kids are off school, and a lot of people were ready for a lie down in a dark room after work, I can see the less politically motivated would have not bothered.
The important thing is the percentage of people who don't actively support Farage in Clacton. Because they're still up for grabs.

The important thing is the percentage of people who don't actively support Farage in Clacton. Because they're still up for grabs.
I’m getting fed up of waiting for the silent majority to pull their heads out their arses and use their vote tbh. Everywhere, not just Clacton.

His alternative 'victory' celebrations = 'Farage Fest'

Sounds like a vetinary disease

I think the whole culture of political engagement needs addressing. Democracy is a powerful tool and the electorate needs to be taught how to use it, early on. Politics needs to be embedded in education, part of the curriculum in an age appropriate way from the get go, so people do understand they have power, and they make informed choices on how to excercise it.
Say this, and you get a lot of push back, accused of being a superior leftie, calling people thick. Because let's face it, it's the right wing parties that benefit from the less well educated voter.

I'm all in favour of compulsory voting as I think it means that parties have to expand their offer to all age groups etc. Broadly the older the potential voter the more likely they are to engage which leads most parties to pitch their offer to older voters (like me!).

I encourage young adults to vote with the argument
“Parties cater for the type of people who will vote for them. If loads of young people start voting then parties will have to start taking their needs seriously. It probably won’t make a difference this time, but be the type of people who vote. For next time, and all the times after that.”

I don't believe in compulsory voting either. But I do think that we owe people the education to understand that a Reform majority would mean a very different direction for the country and their lives within it, than say, a Green one, so they are not 'all the same'.

I wasn’t at all surprised to hear this. I agree that Farage was once again showing contempt towards the people of Clacton. The sad thing is that those who voted for him will buy into his excuses for not turning up. Despite the police force contradicting his claim that there was a credible security threat against him.

This is the result and the reaction from Farage that I expected. Hopefully it will soon sink in that the outcome of trial by mob isn't the legitimate one.

I’m intrigued by the “demeaned and humiliated” reference. Is he implying that he feared he’d lose?

Maybe he couldn’t stand the thought of being heckled? 28% of the vote was for Count Binface after all.

Lee Anderson has accused Essex police of lying.

The photos of him lined up with nothing but joke and minority candidates would have haunted him forever. He wasn't going to give us that satisfaction. And, if he really did only spend £10k on his campaign, he probably didn't GAF.

Of course he has.

I'm glad he's won. Now looking forward to him being investigated properly.

Totally agree.

Farage apparently called the other candidates 'nobodies'. He really does think he had an inalienable right to that seat. At the point of the election he had no more right than any of the other candidates who had paid their dues.

Hollow victory for a hollow man.

I teach Primary modules on democracy, voting, rights and responsibilities. Curriculum time is so squeezed that there’s rarely the opportunity to do the topics justice without cutting a lot of the discussion and thinking time. I know DS covered it at secondary too.
My MP (but not my school’s catchment area MP unfortunately) offers lots of engagement opportunities, talking to children and young people about politics, her journey to parliament etc.

Farage was always going to win, but I hoped at least fewer people would vote for him. He will win again if there is another by-election. Unless all the parties except the Tories stand down.

It is very depressing. How can people be so fooled by him?

That's good to hear. When I was at school it never got a mention until it appeared as an O level option. Which as you'd expect attracted only those students with a pre existing interest. I'm the generation from which Reform attracts it largest voter base. These things may or may not be connected!

I do agree with this, ultimately. (Although I enjoyed the thought of him losing to Count Binface.) And now the investigation has started again, so hopefully there will be another by-election in Clacton in a few months time.

It’s a very moveable part of the curriculum, apt to be dropped if there’s something seen to be more pressing. Maybe 6 - 8 modules across the year iirc? The children are always interested and engaged though, even if I have to remind some of them at the beginning that we respect all parties and views as part of the democratic process. Newsround is still pretty good at presenting current affairs in an age appropriate way. Of course, not all schools will have the time or inclination to search for a decent off the peg source of political information.

Strange.

He believes the Essex police advised to stay away and trusts their opinion.

But he doesn’t believe the Essex police when they stated they didn’t say to stay away.

So he trusts the police when Farage tells him what they said.

Doesn’t trust the police when they tell him directly what they said

Another dream that didn’t come true & Farage being true to form lying & being utterly contemptible & graceless.

I hope the police follow up on this.

BBC headline is that the parliamentary investigation into Nige is to resume. Now that's good news.

Loving the BBC app front page. It also says:
Farage didn't attend the result declaration in person, with Reform saying police advised against it - the BBC understands that is not the case.
Loving that his victory isn't the focus on their front page.