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Thread 3 Burnham: Receso para reorganizarse

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BIossomtoes · 01/08/2026 12:50

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PickAChew · 04/08/2026 07:25

TemperanceWest · 04/08/2026 00:01

Bonehill-Paine has a conviction for assaulting a police officer and burglary of a police station, and was convicted in 2014 of malicious communications over an anti-Islam hoax that led to death threats against the owners of a pub in Leicester.

He was jailed in 2015 for more than three years after posting “vile” antisemitic material online ahead of a planned neo-Nazi rally.

In 2016, he was found guilty of racially aggravated harassment for abuse directed at the then Labour MP Luciana Berger, who is Jewish, which included posting messages to his blog calling Berger a “rodent” and an “evil money-grabber”. He was also the founder and leader of the National British Resistance, a far-right group.

Such a lovely young man.

BIWI · 04/08/2026 08:01

So he's passed Kemi's new test then?

FFS.

Efacsen · 04/08/2026 08:20

What a strange choice

Notonthestairs · 04/08/2026 08:27

Let me guess, he loves fossil fuels & wants to leave the ECHR.

I guess the Tories thought they’d snap him up before Restore could.

Getting international recognition too. Way to go.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uk-conservatives-select-former-neo-nazi-activist-to-run-in-local-election/

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2026 10:27

Sovereignty only matters when it’s British it seems.

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placemats · 04/08/2026 10:42

Indeed @BIossomtoes

The focus should be on the influx of Russian ships close to British and Irish waters, especially the mapping of undersea communication cables.

Notonthestairs · 04/08/2026 10:48

they are recycling the Tory policy and it fails for exactly the same reasons that the Tory policy failed.

As for Farage speaking to someone in France who said yes that's fine - smacks of girlfriends that go to another school.

Its just any old flannel they could cook up to distract from the £5 million payment and the other crapto shennanigans.

Notonthestairs · 04/08/2026 11:40

The state of this. A lovely day out for Badenoch and Philp, playing dress up and making pronouncements about early release schemes - having left the country with one hundred available men's prison places, after fourteen years in charge.

You read that right. One hundred places

https://bsky.app/profile/sturdyalex.bsky.social/post/3msas2skhfk23

Alex Andreou (@sturdyalex.bsky.social)

The state of this. A lovely day out for Badenoch and Philp, playing dress up and making pronouncements about early release schemes - having left the country with one hundred available men's prison places, after fourteen years in charge. You read that...

https://bsky.app/profile/sturdyalex.bsky.social/post/3msas2skhfk23

TemperanceWest · 04/08/2026 11:42

Badenoch has defended the selection of the convicted anti-semite, declaring he has turned his life around and deserves a second chance.

Presumably she will now stfu about Haigh?

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2026 11:43

Doesn’t Philp look absurd buttoned up in a suit and tie when the others are in shirtsleeves? Ridiculous man.

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Notonthestairs · 04/08/2026 11:49

Tories released 10,000 criminals under the early release scheme - they were warned of the consequences of extending sentences and refusing to build new prisons that overcrowding would become unworkable for staff and ignored it.

placemats · 04/08/2026 12:10

Why is Badenoch wearing a police hat?

TemperanceWest · 04/08/2026 12:41

This all seems very reasonable to me. AB statement on prisons:

Andy Burnham
@andyburnham
Britain’s prisons crisis has its roots in a failure to add sufficient new places between 2010 and 2024. Just 500 places were added and 23 prisons were closed. As a result, the system is now dangerously close to capacity and we are running the risk of new offenders not being incarcerated in a timely manner.

The situation must be gripped and that is what I have done in my first days as Prime Minister. But I have done so by trying to put myself in the shoes of victims of crime and seeing things through their eyes. My approach has been to maximise support for them and minimise the risks to public safety.

For someone trying to rebuild their life after a traumatic experience, few things could feel more unjust than learning the person responsible for their suffering would be released earlier than thought. Yet that has been the painful experience of many victims.

I understand their anger and anxiety. More than that, I share it. Because of that, one of my first decisions as Prime Minister was to pause the plan for early release in September and order an urgent review of the scheme.

That has now concluded and, as a result, I have decided to make some significant changes to the plans I inherited. Sentences for rape, serious child sex offences and other grooming offences will now be excluded from the changes. This will be on top of the offenders who are already blocked because they have been deemed by the courts as the most dangerous prisoners.

The truth is I wanted to go even further. I know there will be concerns about who will still be released early for other offences. I have pushed to the very limits of what is possible to do. I know I can look people in the eye and say to them there is nothing more I could have asked for without risking the prison system reaching capacity and collapsing within months.

Such an outcome would expose the public to enormous risk. Police would be unable to make arrests. Courts would be unable to send new offenders to prison. Our justice system would grind to a halt. All this is the reason why sentencing changes were rightly introduced in the first place.

However, I am determined to do more to support victims and the public. So, as well as excluding those sentences for rape, serious child sex offences and other grooming offences, we will be introducing much tougher community measures. Nearly all offenders released will be tagged. The period of supervision will be toughened. And we will be imposing new conditions for offenders, including restriction zones agreed with victims. As part of the changes, we will be giving probation officers the power to ban offenders from driving, pubs and community events.

There will also be a new package of support for victims because they must be placed at the heart of the justice system. This will be backed by £10 million in new funding to provide trauma-informed contacts for victims, alongside a new national helpline.

The Government I lead will work to fix the prison crisis once and for all. I will not leave the same problems for my successors. We will deliver the fastest prison building programme since the Victorian era, with 14,000 new places expected by 2031.

To avoid a repeat of this situation, I have also asked the Justice Secretary to identify other ways to free up prison capacity that will be more palatable to the public.

First, I have asked him to review the indefinite sentences handed out between 2005 and 2012, called Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP). This has left many hundreds of people in prison since they were young but without any prospect of release despite having already served very long sentences.

Second, I have asked for the early release of more women prisoners to be considered, and to look at converting more of the women’s prison estate to hold male prisoners, given the lower risk they generally pose.

Third, I have asked officials to consider faster returns of foreign national offenders to their country of origin.

I have spent much of my political life campaigning for victims, from the families of the Hillsborough disaster to those affected by the infected blood scandal. I have seen the pain caused when people are let down by the very institutions meant to protect them.

The changes we are announcing today will make a difference, but I do not pretend it is a perfect solution or that it goes as far as I would like. My commitment over the months and years ahead is to rebuild our justice system so that it commands the confidence of the public. This will not happen overnight and nor without difficulty. But we will deliver a justice system that the British people expect and deserve

Zonder · 04/08/2026 12:44

Excellent statement there.

PickAChew · 04/08/2026 12:48

He is very good at making it clear that there are no magic wands and why that is the case. Probably won't be enough for the wilfully ignorant, though.

BIossomtoes · 04/08/2026 12:52

Very good statement. I am wondering where the money for new prisons is going to come from, though. Hopefully not from the companies that currently run far too many public services.

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itsgettingweird · 04/08/2026 12:56

PickAChew · 04/08/2026 12:48

He is very good at making it clear that there are no magic wands and why that is the case. Probably won't be enough for the wilfully ignorant, though.

Agree. Someone be happy until the 3rd one is to shoot foreign nationals or fly them towards home and drop them over the ocean somewhere.

He makes a great shot sandwich and has a really empathetic tone even with words.

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2026 12:58

Yes had a news article pop on SM to say a migrant boat carrying around 150 migrants has caught fire in the channel.

PickAChew · 04/08/2026 13:00

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2026 12:58

Yes had a news article pop on SM to say a migrant boat carrying around 150 migrants has caught fire in the channel.

More than 150 migrants rescued after boat catches fire in Channel - BBC News https://share.google/UqakbXLAglRJ3iA7C

Border Force boat pictured while escorting migrants into Ramsgate Docks, Kent.

More than 150 migrants rescued after boat catches fire in Channel

The boat was attempting to cross to the UK when its engine caught fire, according to French authorities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gkpeppjyqo

LizzieW1969 · 04/08/2026 13:11

Notonthestairs · 04/08/2026 11:40

The state of this. A lovely day out for Badenoch and Philp, playing dress up and making pronouncements about early release schemes - having left the country with one hundred available men's prison places, after fourteen years in charge.

You read that right. One hundred places

https://bsky.app/profile/sturdyalex.bsky.social/post/3msas2skhfk23

It became obvious that Sunak called the surprisingly early election to avoid having to announce that there would have to be early releases because prisons would soon be full. Thus handing Labour a poisoned chalice.

5128gap · 04/08/2026 13:14

Very happy with that statement. Content and delivery, spot on. Especially happy with the part about women serving custodial sentences.

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2026 13:20

5128gap · 04/08/2026 13:14

Very happy with that statement. Content and delivery, spot on. Especially happy with the part about women serving custodial sentences.

Yes - from the party apparently against woman and children.

TemperanceWest · 04/08/2026 13:22

I am glad he the Imprisonment for Public Protection cases will be looked at. There are some people who should not still be in prison.

5128gap · 04/08/2026 13:27

itsgettingweird · 04/08/2026 13:20

Yes - from the party apparently against woman and children.

Indeed. I'm anticipating the 'concern about women' from our friends on the right changing to 'concern about discrimination against men'.