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Labour isn't Working - Thread 38

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Nuthatch26 · 29/07/2026 12:11

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Oldie2 · 17/08/2026 22:06

Nuthatch26 · 30/07/2026 17:21

752 people crossed the channel in small boats yesterday.
Three people found dead in a boat - all women.

Tragic. There is currently a trend for the boats getting bigger as the criminals make more £££. Crossings were minimal before we left the EU on Jan 31st 2020. Due to the loss of the Dublin agreement, we lost the right to return migrants without a visa back to France for processing, so now, despite them taking money off us, they do little to stop them coming over to the UK. In the Northern coastal areas of France, migrants hide in the countryside. I came across a couple when I was stupidly out walking one evening. They, however, were even more frightened than me. They were living off sweetcorn in the fields, & our B&B landlord said he'd got a Doberman to see them off, & stop them stealing his eggs.

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 22:10

Oldie2 · 17/08/2026 22:06

Tragic. There is currently a trend for the boats getting bigger as the criminals make more £££. Crossings were minimal before we left the EU on Jan 31st 2020. Due to the loss of the Dublin agreement, we lost the right to return migrants without a visa back to France for processing, so now, despite them taking money off us, they do little to stop them coming over to the UK. In the Northern coastal areas of France, migrants hide in the countryside. I came across a couple when I was stupidly out walking one evening. They, however, were even more frightened than me. They were living off sweetcorn in the fields, & our B&B landlord said he'd got a Doberman to see them off, & stop them stealing his eggs.

This isn’t correct. The Dublin Agreement part that is. Other EU countries still have the DA and face similar.

Oldie2 · 17/08/2026 22:10

SapphireCasino · 17/08/2026 21:44

@Oldie2 I might have misunderstood this since children are very much not my area 😂

I thought the money was to offset the fact that you lose child benefit and/UC if your under 19 moves from education to an apprenticeship

I may well be wrong…

Edited

I expect you are right, I don't know the details either.

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SapphireCasino · 17/08/2026 22:14

Oldie2 · 17/08/2026 22:06

Tragic. There is currently a trend for the boats getting bigger as the criminals make more £££. Crossings were minimal before we left the EU on Jan 31st 2020. Due to the loss of the Dublin agreement, we lost the right to return migrants without a visa back to France for processing, so now, despite them taking money off us, they do little to stop them coming over to the UK. In the Northern coastal areas of France, migrants hide in the countryside. I came across a couple when I was stupidly out walking one evening. They, however, were even more frightened than me. They were living off sweetcorn in the fields, & our B&B landlord said he'd got a Doberman to see them off, & stop them stealing his eggs.

we hardly returned any under the Dublin agreement.

it hasn’t stopped the numbers increasing for other European countries as well

I don’t know why that myth is still doing the rounds

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 22:21

SapphireCasino · 17/08/2026 22:14

we hardly returned any under the Dublin agreement.

it hasn’t stopped the numbers increasing for other European countries as well

I don’t know why that myth is still doing the rounds

Same. It bugs me that the BBC and the Telegraph even spread the misinformation.

SpaceRaccoon · 18/08/2026 07:40

I see Raynor is removing resident and council mechanisms to block planning for traveller sites.

NoWordForFluffy · 18/08/2026 07:52

SpaceRaccoon · 18/08/2026 07:40

I see Raynor is removing resident and council mechanisms to block planning for traveller sites.

WTAF? What's her motive for that?!

(This thread keeps vanishing from my 'watched' threads; it's driving me mad.)

SpaceRaccoon · 18/08/2026 08:19

NoWordForFluffy · 18/08/2026 07:52

WTAF? What's her motive for that?!

(This thread keeps vanishing from my 'watched' threads; it's driving me mad.)

I was thinking about that, and it seems to be part of the general trend that you're not allowed to use your own hard-earned money to buy yourself any semblence of a better life.
Scraped enough for a fee-paying school? We'll see about that.
Scrimped for a deposit and now buckling under a hefty mortgage so that your children grow up somewhere safe and pleasant? Don't think so. Here's your asylum accommodation and your new traveller site.
I swear they're going to find a way to go after any form of private healthcare next to make sure your middle-class knee or hip can't jump the queue of suffering.

Nuthatch26 · 18/08/2026 08:29

Good morning 😁

Welcome to the thread @LuckyHazelFox, glad you found us.
Welcome to @Oldie2.

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Nuthatch26 · 18/08/2026 08:34

Don't give them any ideas @SpaceRaccoon 😬

Article below for anyone who hasn't seen it. Hasn't Rayner done enough damage? She shouldn't be in government after the impact she's had on unemployment.

I don't see how removing council's ability to respond to travellers ties in with Burnham's call for more devolution.
According to the article below, Labour are now blaming the Iran war for their lack of house building. Always someone else's fault.

Rayner paves way for more traveller sites

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c90cb6441152e1c7

Rayner paves way for more traveller sites

Housing Secretary removes key rules used by residents and councils to block illegal encampments

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c90cb6441152e1c7

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EasternStandard · 18/08/2026 08:37

Nuthatch26 · 18/08/2026 08:34

Don't give them any ideas @SpaceRaccoon 😬

Article below for anyone who hasn't seen it. Hasn't Rayner done enough damage? She shouldn't be in government after the impact she's had on unemployment.

I don't see how removing council's ability to respond to travellers ties in with Burnham's call for more devolution.
According to the article below, Labour are now blaming the Iran war for their lack of house building. Always someone else's fault.

Rayner paves way for more traveller sites

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c90cb6441152e1c7

Not sure why pro Labour love their party so much. This and lowest job vacancies in five years.

Great

Pacificbeach · 18/08/2026 08:40

Let them keep aggravating the general public right up to the next general election.

LuckyHazelFox · 18/08/2026 08:41

SpaceRaccoon · 18/08/2026 07:40

I see Raynor is removing resident and council mechanisms to block planning for traveller sites.

Travellers are much more palatable for her to come down hard on. It's another group she won't be so forthcoming on tackling.

justasking111 · 18/08/2026 08:41

Interesting podcast I heard this morning from Dominic Cummings. Raynor Burnham etc are all just puppets given scripts for cabinet meetings. The decisions are made by civil servants. Blair made civil servants unaccountable legally. They're anonymous but hold the power.

Now I've always thought this. Liz Truss said it. Nadine norries wrote a book about it. Hell BBC made series about it.

EasternStandard · 18/08/2026 08:43

Pacificbeach · 18/08/2026 08:40

Let them keep aggravating the general public right up to the next general election.

Yep

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/08/2026 08:46

Nuthatch26 · 18/08/2026 08:34

Don't give them any ideas @SpaceRaccoon 😬

Article below for anyone who hasn't seen it. Hasn't Rayner done enough damage? She shouldn't be in government after the impact she's had on unemployment.

I don't see how removing council's ability to respond to travellers ties in with Burnham's call for more devolution.
According to the article below, Labour are now blaming the Iran war for their lack of house building. Always someone else's fault.

Rayner paves way for more traveller sites

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c90cb6441152e1c7

Whatever the rights and wrongs of traveller site provision, this is a very good point…

I don't see how removing council's ability to respond to travellers ties in with Burnham's call for more devolution.

I’m increasingly on the look out for government policies and announcements that show Burnham’s ‘big themes’ or actions to be gimmicky bullshit. The alert was a good example. Here’s another.

A while ago I heard an American on the telly saying that Trump’s executive orders were ‘cockamamie government’. It looks like we have our own version in Burnham

Nuthatch26 · 18/08/2026 08:47

Unemployment rate holds at 4.9%

Number of payrolled employees fell by 13,000 May-June.

Vacancies drop to lowest level since 2021

It came as private sector wage growth slumped to a six-year low of just 2.8pc. That stands in contrast to a 6.1pc pay increase for the average public sector worker in the same period.Ben Harrison, director of the Work Foundation at Lancaster University, said: “The UK remains trapped in a deepening jobs drought. Vacancies have fallen to the lowest level outside of the Covid-19 pandemic since 2014.”The labour market has been particularly challenging for school leavers and university graduates as the number of entry level job openings has been in decline.Mr Harrison added: “Over the last year, the decline in starter jobs has been 1.6 times faster than for other vacancies, making it increasingly difficult for young people to get their first foothold in work.”

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LuckyHazelFox · 18/08/2026 08:47

The circus continues. Wonder who was behind the White House phone call duping?

Nuthatch26 · 18/08/2026 08:48

Pacificbeach · 18/08/2026 08:40

Let them keep aggravating the general public right up to the next general election.

True. Every cloud...

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Pacificbeach · 18/08/2026 08:49

justasking111 · 18/08/2026 08:41

Interesting podcast I heard this morning from Dominic Cummings. Raynor Burnham etc are all just puppets given scripts for cabinet meetings. The decisions are made by civil servants. Blair made civil servants unaccountable legally. They're anonymous but hold the power.

Now I've always thought this. Liz Truss said it. Nadine norries wrote a book about it. Hell BBC made series about it.

Did he name the exact law that changed this? I feel like we need to get into the detail and unpick this. The system isn’t working.

RodneyKitten · 18/08/2026 08:52

EasternStandard · 18/08/2026 08:37

Not sure why pro Labour love their party so much. This and lowest job vacancies in five years.

Great

Why do you think they care about job vacancies?

EasternStandard · 18/08/2026 08:59

RodneyKitten · 18/08/2026 08:52

Why do you think they care about job vacancies?

True.

RodneyKitten · 18/08/2026 09:10

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/08/2026 08:46

Whatever the rights and wrongs of traveller site provision, this is a very good point…

I don't see how removing council's ability to respond to travellers ties in with Burnham's call for more devolution.

I’m increasingly on the look out for government policies and announcements that show Burnham’s ‘big themes’ or actions to be gimmicky bullshit. The alert was a good example. Here’s another.

A while ago I heard an American on the telly saying that Trump’s executive orders were ‘cockamamie government’. It looks like we have our own version in Burnham

That’s only for the North, silly.

The travellers camps are in the South and South East. It doesn’t count.

LieborCookin · 18/08/2026 09:58

Just seen a head line that the north sea oil issue that should be sorted yesterday are being delayed for months because back benchers have kicked off..

So we go into another winter with fuel issues.

Nuthatch26 · 18/08/2026 10:07

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 18/08/2026 08:46

Whatever the rights and wrongs of traveller site provision, this is a very good point…

I don't see how removing council's ability to respond to travellers ties in with Burnham's call for more devolution.

I’m increasingly on the look out for government policies and announcements that show Burnham’s ‘big themes’ or actions to be gimmicky bullshit. The alert was a good example. Here’s another.

A while ago I heard an American on the telly saying that Trump’s executive orders were ‘cockamamie government’. It looks like we have our own version in Burnham

Andy is out and about again today, talking about buses. Confused

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