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Labour isn't Working - Thread 38

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Nuthatch26 · 29/07/2026 12:11

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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38thparallel · 05/08/2026 10:24

@strawberrybubblegum your 5.47 post is spot on.

Nuthatch26 · 05/08/2026 10:27

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 05/08/2026 10:21

It’s also terrible because Badenoch made such a strong stand with British Jews - entirely genuinely and passionately in my judgement.

And it really doesn’t help when pointing to the obnoxious antisemitism that infests so much of the Greens and Labour - in Labour’s case still infests - a problem the Tories have never suffered from on anything like that scale.

I know, it just doesn't make any sense. It goes against everything Badenoch has done so far. And for what? Madness.

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Nuthatch26 · 05/08/2026 10:30

Just shared this on another thread so thought I'd share it here too.

Chief of Pc Harper’s force considers legal block on killers’ release

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1422ee36cbec8a08

Chief of Pc Harper’s force considers legal block on killers’ release

Decision to allow Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole to walk free is ‘perverse’, says Jason Hogg

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1422ee36cbec8a08

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strawberrybubblegum · 05/08/2026 10:36

Nuthatch26 · 05/08/2026 08:45

Thats the thing though, all parties get caught out with poor vetting of candidates. But in this case, his history is well known. Why damage the party brand like this?
I respect that he's turning his life around and trying to do good, but you can't just erase a past like his. At least not this soon.

I respect that he's turning his life around and trying to do good, but you can't just erase a past like his. At least not this soon

I think this is key. It's too soon. We haven't seen evidence that the change in direction is genuine and of what he's done to make up for it.

Maybe KB has seen that, but I don't think it's in the public eye. You want the first thing the public think when they hear his name to be 'this is what he's done since that's positive' not 'this is what he did'.

People do deserve second chances - but they need to work for them, and regain trust over time.

justasking111 · 05/08/2026 10:47

KB has had a stupid moment of great consequence. He's a bloody council candidate does she personally endorse them all?

redange · 05/08/2026 10:53

If Joshua Bonehill- Payne even turned up at a local Reform Party meeting the papers, media and no doubt many on here would go absolutely wild ! A very strange decision from everybody in the Conservative Party from down from the local party up to the very top. Even if Joshua Bonehill Payne is a rehabilitated person, surely his past views put him totally outside the remit of all mainstream politics. He, is though an exceptional you tube content maker.

Going back to the video I posted about the introduction of compulsory Schooling to sixteen in 1974, it is interesting to understand to consider how few people had academic qualifications. Thus, A Levels in 1974 probably carried more academic agency than a non Russel Group University Degree today ! Finally, my mother was a deputy head at a Girls Grammar throughout the 80's and early 90s, does not accept that you had to be exceptional to go to University pre 1974 ! She also 'disputed' the actual tiny numbers of students who went to University until I proved my point. I guess that again is due to my mothers academic bubble which she inhabited, thus never really crossed her mind how Higher Education pre even 97 was Elite !

redange · 05/08/2026 10:58

It is interesting we consider how few people were educated in University or in places of Higher Education in the 1970s.

justasking111 · 05/08/2026 11:02

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Bonehill-Paine

His parents put him in foster care aged 13 after he was expelled from a public school. Wikipedia shows a catalogue of offences since then. I've known kids who were expelled most came out ok were never jailed.

There's something wrong reading this mans scant life bio.

Joshua Bonehill-Paine - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Bonehill-Paine

SpaceRaccoon · 05/08/2026 11:53

Nuthatch26 · 05/08/2026 10:30

Just shared this on another thread so thought I'd share it here too.

Chief of Pc Harper’s force considers legal block on killers’ release

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1422ee36cbec8a08

Good. I thought their sentences were absurdly lenient as it was.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2026 12:05

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 05/08/2026 01:18

Yes, appalling decision. I find it very strange indeed. What on earth is Badenoch thinking?

Agree. I wonder if she will u turn based on the almost universal reaction but she’s a more determined character than Starmer or Burnham. Her enemies both in the party and outside have a weak spot to damage her further and I imagine they’ll get stuck in with gusto.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2026 12:05

justasking111 · 05/08/2026 10:47

KB has had a stupid moment of great consequence. He's a bloody council candidate does she personally endorse them all?

Yes, I’m also curious why she needs to do so.

DancingFerret · 05/08/2026 12:22

redange · 05/08/2026 10:58

It is interesting we consider how few people were educated in University or in places of Higher Education in the 1970s.

Prior to 1998 a university education was funded by the government and only available to the most academically able, which was a good thing, IMO.

These days university seems to be a rite of passage and also a source of angst for less well-off parents of children with average ability. Add in peer group pressure and the ease of comparison afforded by SM and you have the perfect recipe for some very unhappy people. (We used to know a couple who would tell people their son was at "university in Bristol" to give the impression he was studying at the University of Bristol rather than the newly created UWE, formerly Bristol Polytechnic. It was funny and sad in equal measure.)

The UK's education system is poorer for perfectly good former technical colleges flaunting their shiny new university status, the abolition of the SEN nursing grade, far fewer apprenticeships and countless companies demanding degrees for some very basic positions.

University these days is big business; not everyone who aspires to it will reap the rewards they expect.

SapphireCasino · 05/08/2026 12:22

I do apologise if my posts still seem to be spluttering incoherence on this one. My ghast is truly flabbered. Not helped by KB saying this morning that it doesn't really matter because councillors deal with bins and parking and stuff. I wonder if this lack of judgement, along with that comment, will cost her with the leadership?

Addressing the point of others - yes, I agree, Shahid Butt should never have been allowed to stand either. We really need to review how we manage that and who should be able to stand, but that's going to bump into democracy and the forgiving types.

Have standards in public life really fallen this low? There was someone else, I forget who, who prompted me to say "is it too much that we have a basic threshold for those who are standing for election, that we need an outright rule that they shouldn't have any criminal convictions, at least for anything violent". I'm aware that that probably rules out a handful people.

Next, even if you do believe in redemption, there is simply far too much baggage for this guy. And actually, I read his own explanation on his website and to be honest, it doesn't feel reassuring in any way.

if you actually look at the list of his crimes, they are extensive. But when you look at the detail, it's even worse. I actually remember the whole situation with Luciana Berger reporting it to the police because she received in excess of 2000 threatening messages over the course of a weekend.

Worse than that, obviously there's information everywhere that may not be verified, but I think it's pretty well known that he's done well out of cryp* trading (are we allowed to type out the whole word yet? it used to get your post stopped) and so on. It does make me wonder if there's some corruption at play here.

I wouldn't want him standing for anything in public life, even if it was 25 years after his prison stint. I suspect he got through Reform vetting because he's able to say that he's got a clean criminal record for the last seven years.

Anyway, I shouldn't even have to think about him - the really depressing thing here is Kemi Badenoch. No point standing up in the Commons and going on about a lost "lost" mobile phone now is there?

Ironically, if these basic standards are now out of the window... is there anything to stop me voting for a different party on the right?!!!! In my case, there probably is - but many others will not feel the same way.

She might get away with this because it's happening in silly season, some people sadly won't care, but I actually think they will. I think the story will grow legs over the next few days.

I feel that there is very much trend for forgiving men who did something dodgy in their youth. I very much dislike this trend.

I don't really understand people anymore to be honest. But I have seen it in real life as well. There genuinely seems to be a thing that any kind of issue up to the age of 30 is forgiven. Because we've also got this horrible problem with extended adolescence crashing into this.

I think it sends a message that you can pretty much get away with anything and still not be locked out from any public position. And I think that's really bad.

if he was actually sorry for what he had done, he would not be standing for this role. But being sorry, really is nowhere near good enough in a situation like this. Society needs to stick with punishment for these people.

It's one thing to be a misogynist antisemite.

It's another thing entirely to commit this catalogue of crimes and spend the amount of time he has spent on personal serious intimidation and inciting violence.

I appreciate people like this have to be given jobs because they've got to make a living - although he seems to be doing very nicely out of his investments - but there is absolutely no need to give them more opportunities is there?

I'm just going to be wandering around muttering "what the fuck" about this all day

SapphireCasino · 05/08/2026 12:23

Sorry that post was crazy long
It's just me ranting
At least I feel better now!

DancingFerret · 05/08/2026 12:25

SapphireCasino · 05/08/2026 12:23

Sorry that post was crazy long
It's just me ranting
At least I feel better now!

No need to apologise; I've been muttering about it since last night.

I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling Kemi might have blown any chance of becoming PM by backing this wrong horse.

Nuthatch26 · 05/08/2026 12:32

@SapphireCasino

No need to apologise, rant away. Everything you have said is spot on imo.

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Nuthatch26 · 05/08/2026 12:35

DancingFerret · 05/08/2026 12:28

Not again...🤬 The facts are yet to come, but it doesn't bode well.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16030215/Woman-20s-allegedly-raped-Brighton-beach.html

Awful

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SapphireCasino · 05/08/2026 13:32

I wonder if money is going to be at the heart of this ridiculous behaviour by KB. We can see what's going on at the surface. What brought it about may be far more sinister?

And then, if you're looking at it from the 4D chess perspective, you wonder if he actually was trying to bring them down. He's obviously very clever in that bottom feeding kind of way. So you've got to wonder. I mean the havoc that was wreaked on that pub.... for what, so he can have a laugh?

and the lower the standard of people involved in politics or local politics, the less chance you have of getting normal people involved.

I think I was on my last gasp of trying to at least pretend there was a veneer of civility and that's over now, isn't it?

This may seem a tenuous link, but... I know someone who's got herself signed up for some free training. It's only free if you're low income. She is not. She told me bluntly "I'm sick and tired of doing the right thing, no one else does the right thing ...so fuck it what's going to happen if they find out?"

And here we are. And I'm starting to see her point. Absolutely nobody bothers doing the right thing do they?

SpaceRaccoon · 05/08/2026 13:56

@SapphireCasino it's really odd. It would be one thing if it was just "hurty words" tweets, the kind of thing where police involvement is a massive overreach - but this was very far beyond that.
I'd also be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's a reformed (pun semi-intended) character, but not to the point of wanting to see him run for any sort of public office, or see him endorsed by any senior figures.

Nuthatch26 · 05/08/2026 13:59

@SapphireCasino

In case you haven't seen it, there's a thread in Chat about JB-P.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5562920-would-you-want-this-ex-neo-nazi-internet-troll-misogynist-racist-ex-con-on-your-council?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

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redange · 05/08/2026 14:18

Its not whether Kemi Badenoch personally endorsed Joshua Bonehill-Payne it is the effect he will have on the perception of the Conservative Party. Joshua Bonehill- Payne , would even without his dreadful past, be an inappropriate holder of any official Conservative position given that his You-Tube content is hugely Anti-Government/Labour meaning he will always be a full on target of the left. In essence Mr Bonehill- Payne would be persecuted for doing 23MPH in a 20 MPH Zone by anyone on the political left. Therefore, why would any one associating with the Conservative Party even at 'Parish' level choose such an openly targetable individual.

SapphireCasino · 05/08/2026 14:27

@Nuthatch26 I will have a look at that

@redange yes - even if you don't have any objections it is a PR disaster and she will know that it's a PR disaster.

Is she trying to get thrown out?!

@SpaceRaccoon to me being given the benefit of the doubt means that he's not going stay in prison forever. he's allowed to have a job - because I certainly don't want to pay for these people. But actually being welcomed into the party? Something is definitely odd here.

there is such a strong whiff of psychopath about those videos. Which is not surprising given his past. But whatever she's trying to achieve, does she think that other people can't see the psychopath? Maybe I mean sociopath - I get confused with the characteristics.

apologies to those who are making very valid comments about education and equality and so on. I wasn't really paying much attention to what the current government are doing and this has distracted me completely.

Nothing left to do but batten down the hatches and no one left to vote for.

redange · 05/08/2026 14:49

Dancing Ferret: Even at my Grammar School in 1991 only about 40-50% went to University/Higher Education and I was probably in the bottom third of that group. Today I would expect around 95% of the schools Sixth Form will enter University also in my time a number of pupils left the school after the '5th' year. I looked at some statistics that suggested even in 1990 only around 19% of students went to University ! At the beginning of the 1970's it was less than 5%. 'I was about to write some inaccurate' stuff about teachers not needing a Degree or similar in the 70s .
I have just seen they needed a three year Post Qualification but entry could be accessed by O Levels so was the Teaching Qualification the same level as a 'Foundation Diploma' today a level 4 Qualification !

DancingFerret · 05/08/2026 15:36

@redange Apart from having a teacher friend who gained her qualification post-degree via a PGCE I have very little knowledge of the profession, but as a casual observer I would say the whole system needs a shake-up and recognition of the fact education is wide-ranging and can be delivered in many ways.

On a personal note, my degree is basically regarded as "unnecessary, but nice to have" as the minimum requirement for my job is currently five GCSEs and success in psychometric tests, followed by three years of training - which is why I maintain a university education in its current form isn't always the gateway to a career.

What is true is this Labour government sees education of the UK's children as a threat to its ideologies; all we can hope for is they don't manage to do even more damage in the next three years.

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