To want a society where we just pay for ourselves

[LettingTheBadThingsGo]

Okay this is going to get some backs up but it's also how I feel so..
I wish we could just live in a society where we all just pay for ourselves.
So you want to have children - you pay for it all yourself. No benefits of any kind.
You want to see a GP - You pay a fee and get the service
You need the police - You pay a fee and get the service
You want education for your kids - you pay for it and get to choose where to send them

Nobody gets a pension or any benefits. However we all know this and as such we pay no tax/NI and save for ourselves.

Obviously there would have to be a phased input over a large number of years (like 30)

I want to know that if I need the police I can get them here in 5 mins. If I need an ambulance I want to know I can get it here in 5 mins. I don't want to not have these services because there is a rubbish 'free' service because there is not enough being allocated to them because it's all being spent on things I disagree with (welfare, council houses)

This would make everyone responsible for themselves. Those who work hard would be better off. Those who don't work will be worse off. Seems fair to me.

Everyone would save from day 1 in case they become ill or disabled and need to support themselves or have a disabled child (although they could choose not to have children in the first place).

I find it very weird that we live in a capitalist society where so many people are being supported by welfare. To me that is the opposite of a capitalist society.

Obviously there are some things that could never be allocated to each person such as defence of the country. There would have to still be a 'country charge' to every person to cover things that just could not be split. Street lighting would probably have to come under this as well. However roads could be covered by a charge to each person based on their mileage each year.

Yes it would take lots of thought and as I said would have to be implemented over a large number of years. However this would lead to a more productive society as well as better services. Obviously on the basis of a thread I haven't thought everything out but hopefully you all get the idea.

Anybody who didn't want to live like that could leave of course and live somewhere else.

So anyone else agree - no tax or ni - save and pay for yourself. Just pay a 'country charge' to cover things that can't be allocated like defence of country. Everything else is private (healthcare, police, pensions) and you save for it all yourself.

The only people who I can imagine not wanting this is those that live on the hard work of others ie life time welfare claimants. For everyone else surely they would be better off.

So how do expect bus services to run? Who fills in the potholes?
councils get funds from the government to do these things and the government gets from out taxes

How about defence?

and the list goes on

but it also says somethings wrong with society when companies moan about paying nmw

and of course counterpoint to the insurance for everything argument - insurance companies hate paying out. So many people would either be uninsurable or have premiums so high their 6 grand a year wouldn't come close to covering it.
those people would die.

Would every job be paid the same?
How would you ensure that everyone can get a job?

If you don't want to live in a civilised society, then go and find a less civilised society. There are plenty of them.

Pigshit thick ignorance.
Or OP using AI.

a centralised planned economy for that, so workers can be allocated, or closed cities, / company towns that only need x workers etc and then have population limits

My husband is from Bangladesh a lot of this sounds like you’d maybe like to live there, it’s not much fun.
Also you sound like a 12 year old, one of them annoying precocious ones.

And I'd love to see you walk into a children's cancer ward and announce to them all that you think anyone who doesn't have very wealthy parents should be dead by now.

This Utopia exists😂. Just move stateside!

So you expect everyone who works and is suddenly not paying tax to have a massive pot of savings? You may have paid higher rate tax but some of us earn not much more than minimum wage (I am university educated, by the way, and have worked my way past an entry level job, not a grifter like you seem to think everyone who's not a higher rate tax payer clearly is) so I doubt my spare tax is going to cover private education, private healthcare, then also be a massive pot of savings if I'm injured, Ill or disabled, which can happen to anybody. Income tax is not the state's only source of revenue, either, so it's not like the cash is circulating and just needs to go back to the original tax payer!

I think the social contract is so unbelievably broken and I honestly find it so miserable and depressing that people who have, at the end of the day, been relatively fortunate in their lives (yes you work hard, I get it, me too, but you are ultimately in a privileged position if you are earning enough to pay higher rate tax) think that paying in to support the poorest and most vulnerable in society isn't a worthy or inherently valuable thing to do. I've used that safety net, and now I'm back at work and paying tax again, and the idea that people think I'm some sort of sponge for having done so is horrible.

Yep up for that.

Right...

Then OP make sure you don't become old, disabled, sick or lose your job in that cloud cuckoo land society of yours.

It is unclear as well how you expect the country's infrastructure to continue to function if people don't contribute through taxation...

it would be down to the rich and privileged to build society in their image, theres more than one way to build a society / civilisation history

Just this

You’d pay taxes for administration. And to defend against incursions.

Just move. Loads of countries have been suggested that would fit your requirements.

Everyone would save from day 1 in case they become ill or disabled and need to support themselves or have a disabled child (although they could choose not to have children in the first place).

There is not much that shocks me these days, but 😯
Have you done any reading around eugenics, OP?

What happens if the couple undergoes extensive screening, but still has a child with disabilities?
What happens if the child is brain damaged at birth? Would one's insurance company then sue the nurser or obstetrician?

i was answering the persons question who i quoted

Obviously wouldn't work.
We can already look to countries that do this to some extent for health - in the US people can be ruined by a health problem.

How does it work in UAE where all these rich people go to avoid tax?

I heard it here a while back and loved it:

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but the pig likes it.

"Those who work hard would be better off. Those who don't work will be worse off. Seems fair to me."

And those who work had for low wages???
They can't save at all so they just kill themselves if they get ill??

its been an intriguing thread, so when is society going back to anicent rome times ?

If we go to war one day op will you feel the same then? Everyone can defend their own four walls how they see fit, without intelligence, equipment or an army to speak of?

I'm wondering if OP has even paid enough tax in this life if theirs to cover the cost of their own education.

You’ve been arguing in favour of the OP’s suggestion Da Vinci.