Labour isn't Working - Thread 36

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I also see that lurid allegations about George Osborne came from a woman who’s admitted stalking him and his wife and will be sentenced later.

I remember the MN left being all too happy to circulate the offender’s accusations.

Could be. I've heard/read that his polling is likely to be at it's highest ever point around October, so thats the period to watch if AB wants to go to the polls apparently.
I genuinely can't guess how the mayoral election will go. GM covers vastly different areas, as you point out. I think its a mistake for Labour to see Makerfield as a Reform slaying excercise. It was a vote against Starmer.

Thanks, off to Google that for more details.

Yes the left of MN play by different rules don't they when its the tories or Reform.

Also do Mayoral elections get the same turnout that general elections or by-elections do? I don’t know.

I remember the MN left being all too happy to circulate the offender’s accusations.

Yes, along with the fact that David Cameron got up to no good with a pig’s head which according to some definitely happened. Proof, though, seems to be sparse.
I hope Osborne’s stalker is suitable punished as she put them through hell.
Also do you remember that serious weirdo Carl Beech who made the most ludicrous accusations to Tory MPs and high ranking soldiers causing irreparable damage to his victims?
He was egged on by Tom Watson and naturally believed by some on here.

It will
be interesting to see.

The Burnham bounce hasn’t materialised so far. Starmer is dragging things out and this will eat into Burhham’s honeymoon period.

On the other hand Farage is not too present, but the Green are still picking up votes.

I don’t think he’ll call it, unless he’s believing his own hype too willingly.

Was October the time people suspect he might set an election, or the potential date for an election.

It kind of gives me some hope that there will be some common sense around the budget, if it's after and filled with dread if it's before.

And they are running out of time to call it.

No one wants a snap election late in the year.

The Beech accusations, and Watson championing him, was the worst and most damaging stupid conspiracy theory ever in the UK. It hurt and caused harm to so many people so badly. And the police share blame too.

Watson did apologise after he went to the Lords.

But I still find it incomprehensible that anyone with any judgement and common sense believed any of the nonsense. Beech got 18 years. He’s out on licence now.

Not sure, just that this is likely to be the period of temptation for him due to high polling. Other PMs have had their highest polling three months in, then its downhill from there.
As others have said though, Starmer's manner of departure is eating into any honeymoon period AB may have.

I missed the whole storm in a teacup re Osborne. Googling now I can't find anything recent at all. The poison pen writer apparently had anonymity at the time.

It was more than a storm in a teacup, the allegations were horrendous, and repeated on here at the time. I've seen a poster on MN repeat the allegations of drug use as fact only a few days ago.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lydia-suffield-george-osborne-thea-rogers-b2981185.html

It’s terrible. As for spin if Labour acolytes can’t spin it they ignore it.

Turnout was just over 32% at the last one in GM. I suspect turnout will be much higher this time.

As for tax wiggle room - the TUC head was saying he thinks CGT needs to be equalised some more. Good idea guys. Let’s bury some more SMEs..and as for tax warehouses to fund rate cuts on pubs, what does he think is going to happen to jobs for warehouse staff? They’re already under threat from robots.

A Treasury that cannot count. Whatever next?

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/coffee-house-shots/id1101754136?i=1000775269041

Thanks. I hadn’t spotted that the guilty plea is a month old.

Terrible case.

Johnson took office in July, then went to the polls in December for a mandate. Not saying AB will do the same, but its possible if he believes his own hype.

DH thinks though that Reform and Restore will split the right wing vote and mean we get a Labour government anyway

I know I missed it entirely, so thanks again for highlighting.
Most serious will stay on file, but she has pled guilty to the lesser charge.

It’s quite possible but also possible that Greens split the left wing vote.

I must have deleted Johnson from my mind.

😂😂

Johnson did benefit from that timing. Not sure if AB will get the same bounce but I guess we’ll see.

Then everyone will swing from there want be a GE how dare you suggest it to yeh GE

It is possible AB will stick to wanting PR so if he wins with it in the manifesto the GE after that would be very different.