Green Is The New Blue - Trump Thread #166

[Spandauer]

Reflecting Pool was sabotaged!
Meloni is begging for me!
They're killing the grass!
Hormuz open!
Hormuz closed!
ICE is NICE!
Get rid of the B in dumb!
Windmills bad!
War!
Peace!
War!
I am a stable genius!

Thanks to @Justsaynonow for the thread title 😁

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5540355-flaming-june-will-the-wheels-finally-fall-off-don-snoreleones-bus-trump-thread-165

Surely the leopards must have full stomachs by now. How many more faces can they eat ?

Speaker Johnson. He stands beside Trump nodding his head, backing him up, but at the same time the MAGA are stabbing him in the back, stopping the GOP agenda to MAGA him. He has Project 2025 to deliver but can't. Trump wants his stuff, and if he can't get it, nobody is getting anything.

Speaker Johnson abandons floor agenda, sends members home early amid GOP rebellion | CNN Politics

Is Trump lame ducking himself before the mid terms ?

https://www.rawstory.com/pope-leo-jd-vance/

Birthright citizenship is inextricably linked with slavery.

Some people might say that it's the price the US had to pay for it's naked hypocrisy in pretending it was somehow "founded in liberty" whilst appropriating 3/5ths of a slave for the purposes of electoral representation for their owners.

It would be amusing to comment on Donald Trump:Legal Scholar opining that the constitution can be changed by Congress saying so. Except we know he will try it. And then squeal about how dare judges interfere in the will of the people.

Here’s something.

For anyone interested in how much the family has grifted since Trump's 2nd presidency.

https://www.americanprogress.org/feature/trumps-take/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

$2.6B
Breaks out categories such as:

• crapto-currency ventures
• foreign business deals
• licensing agreements
• gifts (such as aircraft)
• hotel and golf club revenues tied to government or foreign patrons

Reuters
Recently estimated the Trump family has made at least $2.3 billion from crapto-related projects since Trump returned to the White House in 2025.
For 2025, the president also reported over $80 million in income from settlements with various media companies and $52 million in income from his company licensing his name to overseas property developers, driven principally by deals with Middle Eastern partners.

I know I shouldn't laugh, but
White House spokesperson Anna Kelly said in a statement, “Neither the President nor his family has ever engaged — or will ever engage — in conflicts of interest.

“All actions by President Trump and his administration are taken in the best interest of the American people – and any so-called ‘reporters’ pushing otherwise are recycling the same, tired, false narrative that Democrats and the legacy media have been pushing for a decade.”

On the golf courses.
Trump reported a 15% rise in revenue at his golf and resort facilities to just over $500 million in 2025. The strongest increases were at clubs where the president has spent considerable time since his 2025 inauguration.
Revenue at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, which Trump dubbed the Winter White House, soared to $77 million from $50 million in 2024, while revenue at his golf club in nearby West Palm Beach jumped 27%. Revenue fell at Trump’s Los Angeles course last year.

That increase in revenue is mainly funded by the taxpayer for security/accommodation etc when he mainly stays in his own properties.

@logicisall but there's no conflict of interests🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And he's the neck him and that religious nut Vance interfering in British politics .

I'm pretty sure USA isn't short of issues.

You do realise all that is the American Dream, don't you ?

There should be few Americans who are anything but "You rock Donald ! YOu go for it !!". Well, except for the ones not paying attention in civics. This is literally what your country was created for.

Holy Cow! That IS complicated.

Wouldn't your DD have UK citizenship 'by descent' if you are a UK citizen? I know that babies born outside the country to US citizens are automatically citizens. All they do is go to the nearest US consulate and present the child's 'country of birth' birth certificate and proof of citizenship for the US parent(s) and they get a "Report of US Citizen Born Abroad" birth certificate. I dealt with this a lot in my former career.

'Back in my day', if the parents were unmarried and the father was the US citizen it was a bit more 'complicated' as far as documentation, but in these days of DNA tests proving paternity wouldn't be a problem.

@RedTagAlan

Is Trump lame ducking himself before the mid terms ?

I think it's creeping up on him quite early, but he's bringing it on himself with his increasingly inflating ego and his dementia insane demands and actions. The 'normal' lame duck is from the election to the inauguration of the new POTUS, so for Scrotus it shouldn't be until around Fall of 2028, but he certainly seems to be losing a bit of his grip on Congress and SCOTUS.

If the midterms flip one or both Houses, I guess it's sort of a 'mini-lame duck' since most if not all of a POTUS' desired legislation gets blocked by the 'other party' now in control of the House and/or Senate.

Yup. DD has UK citizenship by descent. But because her nationality on her birth cert is not Brit, it ends with her. She can't pass it on to her kids. Unless they are born in the UK.

I think that is fair enough. I also registered her birth at the UK consulate, and that is how she gets her cert of entitlement in her passport. She is British in that she is entitled to a brit passport, but brit by descent.

If we had registered her as Brit in the birth nation, then she would be full brit. But because no dual nationality..... sigh.

I have known a few Americans here, and it is easier for them believe it or not. It seems to be a lot easier for Americans to get their DP in.

It was Theresa May who really messed it up for Brits abroad. She done away with lots of long standing rules.

UK and US citizenship rules aren't really comparable. There was never any serious suggestion until after WW2 that people born in the British Empire were anything other than British. (Or to put it in a way the founding fathers would understand that all subjects of the British Monarch were 5/5ths of a person).

If you can source this programme (there are ways) you will gain a much deeper grasp of how Britains sense of Britain evolved.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08w2cvq

I thought Brit passports were not really a thing till 1915 or so. As in needing to do passport control ?

The Pilgrims' would not have needed passports.

I think the French system is better. Live in a French colony, full French. No idea of the history of that. But it was not the case for Brit colonies.

If you were born under the rule of the British Monarch - wherever that may have been - you were British. All else was merely imperial administration.

This may not have been as wonderful as it sounds. <Cough>Ireland<cough>

@RedTagAlan

I have known a few Americans here, and it is easier for them believe it or not. It seems to be a lot easier for Americans to get their DP in.

Oh, I believe that. I think it's one remaining shred of "I lift my lamp beside the Golden Door". We were taught and believed that US citizenship is a kind of 'golden ticket' to a bright future. And that everyone deserves that bright future. I know that 'one remaining shred' is pretty darn tattered now, but I still have hopes for the future.

My own paternal great grandparents (of farm labour and mining stock) immigrated here from a tiny place near St Ives Cornwall with their children in the late 1800s in search of a better life. And they found it. One great grandfather built a successful business and the other great- and my own grandfather became very successful citrus ranchers.

Although at this point I no longer believe that US citizenship is always a 'golden ticket' for everyone, I do believe that for many it can mean a better life than the one they left behind.

A girl I knew at Uni was the result of a little fling between her DM and a UK based US serviceman in the 60s. He disappeared into the wind almost immediately after

Fast forward to 1991 and with some old style traipsing to the US embassy and writing letters, she got his ID and pursued a claim. He didn't deny it (or even respond, if memory serves) and she got a birth certificate and more importantly a social security number. This meant she could legally work for her gap year.

(By contrast DB had to go the full nine yards to get his citizenship. And I remember more of the revision than he does ..)

Well, Americans I have known here would usually say " My kids are 'murican, no way will they stay in this shithole place".

But, having said that, most Americans I have come across here tend to be, ahem, rather right wing.

Do good BBQ though. Especially the Texans,

I find the whole debate about birthright and citizenship particularly distasteful. What about the poor s~ds who were there all along; the native, indigenous population?!

In other news, extreme heat forecasted to hit parts of the US shortly: Dangerous heatwave to hit US ahead of holiday weekend - BBC News.

This, of course, will no doubt be "betrayal of patriotic Americans" and "dumocrat sabotage". Because we were all reassured in 2020 by Donald US West Coast fires: I don't think science knows about climate, says Trump - BBC News... *"It'll start getting cooler, you just watch," Mr Trump said after he was urged not to "ignore the science".
Blazes in several states have burned vast areas of land and killed at least 36 people since early August.
Scientists say human activities have driven up global temperatures.
But Mr Trump has blamed poor forest management for the fires that have burned almost 2 million hectares (5 million acres) of land in California, Oregon and Washington state.
During his visit to the US West Coast, Mr Trump - who has often denied climate change - repeated his argument on forest management as he met Californian officials involved in the battle against the wildfires.
Earlier on Monday, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden called Mr Trump "a climate arsonist"."

And some choice comments, also last year: Fact-checking criticism of California Democrats over fires - BBC News - ""They just can't put out the fires," he added. "What's wrong with them?""

But, of course, since re-election, the Trump administration and wise DOGE owls (apologies to actual owls) have also rolled back environmental policies designed to reduce emissions, cut entire environment-based departments, and DT has withdrawn the US from the Paris climate accords.

"Drill, baby drill." Utter f~~~wit gitwizard. 🍊 Please, just make him stop.

Excellent point re Native Americans. I was going to mention that in my post, but slipped my mind. They never got citizenship of what was their own country till 1924.

Re forest fires. Was it Finland who trolled him last time about sweeping the forests ?

I prefer Kansas City MO-style BBQ personally. But I'd never get in a debate with a Texan (or any other 'BBQ-style' state resident) about which BBQ is 'best'. Cuz 'them's fightin' words, Podnah' no matter where you are!

Of course Mexican-Americans do pretty damn good barbacoa, although it's completely different from American BBQ.

Interesting about most Americans where you are being right-wing, you'd think they would be afraid to leave our 'golden shores'. But I know that 'financial gain' can often lead to certain 'mindsets' feeling the grass is greener so let's go be 'locusts' for as long as it lasts. And I don't know about where you are being a 'shit hole place' but I guess it can be a natural thing for parents to want their children to have what they think is 'the best', no matter where that is.

But it really pisses me off when anyone is snotty about a country 'not their own' that they're living in. I lived in a European country for a year waaaayyy back in the day and although there were things and customs I didn't like, I never 'shit-talked' the country as a whole. I just smiled and 'did as the Romans do'.

PS It wasn't Italy lol

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mpluruwknl2u

the troops are not responding to JD Vance's speech, like, at all. not a single peep over this nearly 2 minute clip

negative juice

In my opinion, if we look back at that time with todays value system as the measurement, we miss what they were doing, why they were doing it, whom they were doing it to, and crucially, the achievements of the past 200 odd years. And there have been many, many achievements.

The US constitution was not based on Athenian versions of democracy, as that was too much power to the people for their liking. Rather they based their system on the Roman version which deliberately curbed the Greek system.
Initially, the Constitution was set up by, and for, men like them. By and large English origin, land owning, educated and christian.

It was not for non property holders, the poor, women, non christians, Black, Indigenous or any other non White. It was for them. When we look back for here - we say - fucking hell - arrogant, greedy, bastards. But, in their life time, that was simply how things were and had been for 1,000s of years. 1,000s of year of living in a Christian orthodoxy and a class system that nobody really thought could be broken.

It took the French Revolution (four or five years later) to finish off that ancient world order. They threw out the baby and the bath water, and killed God while they were at it (by killing the king).

We should remember that the United States at that point was trying to create a country. A brand new country, uniting the (very) different States and avoiding Europeans like endless wars. New Jersey had cannons pointing to New York and were ready to start a war over ....TARRIFS for example.

It is such an exciting and audacious thing, the foundation of modern America (I truly know how savage it was too). I love reading the history of it because, for me, form the get go, it is about human beings fighting for freedom - coming like waves. And the strength of America is that it can take the fight and stay standing. The system can bend.

In a way, in my opinion, they have two major problems right now - the parties are too powerful, too controlling of the process/money, and too undemocratic.

And of course with Trump, it is being attacked from the inside.

Top response on that nails it:
'JD Vance is the answer to the question: “what if a faceplant were are person?” '

TBH, I think that coming across "odd" Americans where I am is a sort of feature of the place. Most longer term foreigners here are a bit odd. Including me. You sort of have to be odd to survive.

Apart from the "expats" of course. The corporates. They do the bubble thing.

And no, I don't think I am being "oddist" :-)

Sorry for the massive post with typos!

I lost the run of myself.

Kind of ironic that, as immigrants in another country, they were expressing the same contempt to said country that MAGA types believe immigrants in America express towards America....