Thread 51 Starmer : pedo mellon a minno

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Same. It would be perfect, never going to happen though.

David Cameron got a peerage to be Sunaks Foreign Secretary

The reason it would never happen is because Starmer wouldn’t go for it. I might be wrong about that, in fact I’d be delighted if I was.

I agree. It would be humiliating to go straight from being PM to FS. So I don't think he would do it straight off the bat. Much better to retire to the backbenches for a while.

Official confirmation - GMCA mayoral election will be July 30

@Piggywaspushed
I am in the anyone but streeting gang, too, but I don't understand the AB love tbh.
I can't help but wonder if the recent deal being put in front of junior drs was a "fuck you" to WS? Certainly makes him look lile a poor health sec (which he was)

I hope Labour doesn't lose that due to Burnhams fickleness, personal ambition and disloyalty.

Can you imagine AB on the global stage!?
Fucking hell we'll be a laughing stock again

Why?

I don't love Burnham, but I am not sure he'd be a laughing stock.

Burnham is very respected and liked by many countries.

It's a shame Starmer made so many unforced errors. Add those to Labours appalling comms and a partisan press and it was never going to end well.

If anyone from the future finds this post, and wants to know what went wrong in the world 1975-2025 politically, it's that global populations (certainly the US and UK) were forced to learn far more about the mechanics of their political parties than is necessary.

right now we are dealing with Labours byzantine constitution. Before that we all had to deal with the weird Tory party structure (the 1922 committee and letters). In the US it's their weird local-national party dynamics.

No wonder we can't get any work done. The biggest drain on UK productivity is UK politics.

He isn't a statesman in any way, shape or form imo.
I can't imagine him dealing with the insanity that is the white house currently.
He also seems to have already rolled back on his support on some issues (e.g. waspi women).
I just don't understand why people think he's so great?
Being Mayor is a much easier gig than PM!
And the taxpayer is having to pay for yet another mayoral election.
I think KS has been seriously harmed by his appointment of PM as US ambassador, his attitude to warnings/red flags from the CS about that appointment and by appointing MMcS as his Chief of Staff.
Makerfield voted to leave the EU by quite a majority - 67%.
Maybe this means they realise what a crock of racism shit they were sold?

Now I am curious, what does being a statesman look like?

Can you imagine him at the WH?
Or at the UN?
He just seems like a chancer to me 🤷‍♀️
I'm very tired of political musical chairs and lots of people voted Labour because they were tired of it, too

@SerendipityJane
"Unforced errors" puts it perfectly I'm also currently watching Queens Tennis

Yes, I can imagine him at those events.

I get that you don't like him but thinking he will be an embarrassment I can't understand.

Well, I can't.
I think he would be totally out of his depth.
Time will tell.

It's not that I don't like him.
I don't like what he's done at makerfield - although I'm aware he will have been very much encouraged to stand by the anti KS faction in govt.

I think he is all ego.
It worries me.

I know I keep mentioning this but anyone who thinks he can't win hearts and minds and can't bring people along with him needs to understand his work with the Hillsborough families and the governments involved- and how he responded to being booed.

Yes and yes. Who I can't picture in the White House is Donald Trump...

raven , I know you have been on here a while but are you a dyed in the wool Labour voter or new to Labour?

I read somewhere once that there can be anti Northern bias in people's thoughts. They still find it harder to imagine Northerners in seats of power than those form the south. Essentially because Northerners by southerners are always perceived as working class and less well educated.

We are long overdue a non southern PM (I don't count Truss).

I live in the north 😃

OK, interesting.

Those paragraphs were separate though so not necessarily all about you.and you aren't a Northerner by your phrasing!

I'm from Glasgow so you're all southerners to me!

"I read somewhere once that there can be anti Northern bias in people's thoughts. They still find it harder to imagine Northerners in seats of power than those form the south. Essentially because Northerners by southerners are always perceived as working class and less well educated."

You said exactly what I was thinking. You still see a distaste for" flat Northern vowels" that you would have expected to die with the 70's.