How is Ariana Grande allowed to keep going?

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She looks like she’s at death’s door with anorexia and yet she’s just kicked off a world tour.

I thought we were living in more enlightened times now and that celebrities’ ill health wouldn’t be enabled like this. If she went to any hospital she’d get admitted for malnutrition.

I heard loads of people advocating for a psychiatric hold for Kanye West.

Mental capacity can be affected in several serious mental illnesses, including depression and anorexia.

The pp seemed to be suggesting sectioning should never occur under any circumstances.

It's allowed in exceptional cases but it is just that, exceptional.

I would argue that if you pose a threat to others and you have made threats to kill, you are not taking medication etc., then there is justification if it can be evidenced.

The guy who went to the Tate gallery and threw a random child off the 10th floor probably had social workers with similar sentiments to yours because they also didn't want to section him.

How can you possibly know if someone poses a threat to others (unless they explicitly tell you which is unlikely) until it's too late?!?

Sectioning is very frequently for psychosis.

Disallowing it for anything else wouldn’t have much impact numbers wise but would mean people who need help don’t get it.

I mean, Psychiatrists know better than you, right?

Unfortunately society glamourises thinness to an extent that AG's obvious health issues will probably be overlooked. When my daughter was in the throes of a serious eating disorder, staff at school were overheard to say she had had "a glow up" 😠.

Ffs

I think that's the crux of it and its not going to change. I still see daily Shein adverts on here and SM where they are heavily photo shopped.

If you was asked 'do you want your waist to half the width of your foot lenght?' You would think wtf? But still that's the look being pushed onto us

To clarify for you, I'm saying she doesn't look underweight, just very slim.

But that’s a stupid thing to say

We don't section fat people. How is it different?

I affirm...if they aren't at a risk of hurting others...leave them alone.

If not a protruding collarbone and overly prominent ribs, then I’m genuinely curious to know exactly what you would class as someone looking underweight? It’s very obvious to me that Ariana is unwell, but then I have experience of being on an eating disorders unit where many of the patients looked exactly like what I’m currently seeing on a worrying number of celebrities: too-thin bodies, forced smiles, sad eyes. Ariana reminds me very much of a young girl I knew from there who died in her sleep from heart failure, very unexpectedly. I don’t usually care enough about celebrity culture to comment on these things, and perhaps it’s the history that I have, but I find all of this terrifying; and the casual acceptance and normalisation of it all is perhaps most frightening of all.

Even if they are hurting themselves?

That's terrible! I hope your daughter is doing better now.

Or Lena Zavaroni , who was a top level vocalist, even as a child.

Don’t be ridiculous

While there may be an underlying MH issue to explain why someone is very large, it is unlikely they are so entrenched in an eating disorder that they have lost mental capacity.
Do you not understand how a Section works?

Exactly this ^
as another poster pointed you'd essentially be comparing somebody who is so obese they can barely get off the sofa/bed-bound, not your average overweight member of the public.

I disagree, I've already explained why on this thread- it's in the face, especially around the mouth, because the muscles on the face start to change and you get the very tight/pronounced lines around the mouth which are characteristic of your body being very distressed indeed.

You are right it isn't about the size of any particular limb and some people are just pretty skinny or running underweight their whole lives.

What you need to be looking for is muscle loss, hair thinning, hair on arms (languno), I'm not going to go through the signs for bulimia but you do see them on famous people and they are well-known.

if you know, you know I've spent a lot of time on ED wards and I am 100% sure AG is very unwell.

It’s so weird to come on here to talk about someone being ill with an eating disorder and have to face a barrage of comments about fat people or clearly unwell people not being underweight…some people on here have serious issues

The thing is on here (MN) if ever anyone posts a similar pic or questions whether a model is either photoshopped, or, if genuine - whether thats a normal healthy weight, posters are falling over themselves to say they look exactly like that and are 5'10, and naturally a size 0 , they are really healthy and strong, love fruit and vegetables and eat cakes once a year, and that any comment on someone who is extremely thin is body-shaming.
I think theres a lot of disordered eating and disordered thinking on MN...

Well I agree. My dd aged 11 does gym, Ballet, musical theatre, swims, horse rides, athletics club and gardening. She fits into age 10-11 clothes AND Holliter / Primark size 6. She is also 147 tall and weighs a full stone more than mil and a few pounds less than her 5,8 22 year brother. Unless dd is in fact obese, none of this is normal. I simply do not see adult women routinely smaller than my dd. Even a local actress ( who all seem to be slight) isn't the size of dd. Even if they did have her 21" waist they are mostly a foot taller. If she was a size zero I'd be under socail care investigation or she would be under a Dr for the reason.

She is the height and weight of a standard 10 year old

I fundamentally will not accept that a grown adult who isn't harming anyone else and who is paying her bills and meeting obligations should be able to have their freedom and liberty stripped from them for other people's concerns. It simply doesn't work for me. I think it's wrong. I'll always think it's wrong.

They are adults. They should be allowed to make their own decisions. Period.

The criteria for sectioning is a danger to self or others.

anorexia is a mental illness, people who are starving themselves to death aren’t in their right minds and deserve a chance to recover.