How is Ariana Grande allowed to keep going?

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She looks like she’s at death’s door with anorexia and yet she’s just kicked off a world tour.

I thought we were living in more enlightened times now and that celebrities’ ill health wouldn’t be enabled like this. If she went to any hospital she’d get admitted for malnutrition.

But no one person or body are going to take that decision away from an adult with agency. There is no law that allows it and there is a fuck tonne of money tied up too.

There are massively fat people doing things that are endangering their health too. Diabetics eating sugar. Where do you draw the line in law? Who draws that line? It's nobody's business but hers. The fault lies with the people buying the tickets. Who decides that she is incapable. It has to come from her or the people that vote with their feet. She will know she is a skeletal size zero.

Sadly, in the entertainment industry, there are a lot of people making a lot of money from celebs like Ms Grande - it's in their interest to keep the show on the road, keep the money rolling in. A comeback after a period of illness isn't as lucrative a proposition.

The history of celebrity is literally littered with people who needed some help, needed a genuine friend, but sadly didn't get it and often died as a result - and then were often even more lucrative.

The risks of death at BMI 30, even 40, do not bear any comparison with those at BMI <15 Regardless of the reason for very low BMIs there is an appreciable risk of sudden organ failure. BMI 14 is in no way like 18, or 19 which was discussed upthread.

Exactly. It’s not comparable.

That's beyond sad.

Exactly, and there's no 14 year old girl thinking "I wish I looked like [person with bmi of 40]. If only I could put on a bit more weight."

Poor Ariana. She looks like she is, and has been for some time, in the denial stage of anorexia. She will need intensive treatment to recover. I hope someone in her inner circle can get through to her

at the weight she appears to be the only therapy is food- her brain will not be functioning effectively for other types of therapy and ime a lot of therapists are not effective or helpful at this stage of ED. Hence why sectioning is in extreme cases needed - tube feeding etc- as physical recovery is absolutely paramount but the starved brain will be telling her she’s fine and making it very hard for her to eat in anyway near the amounts needed to restore any weight.

Yes I agree, but I’m assuming that with a seemingly supportive and caring family around her and long standing management and therapist that she would be tube fed if that was necessary. I’m only working on the assumption that despite her clear very low weight, it’s not.

She was emaciated ever since she got married. The images of her below are from her 2011 Canada tour. She never looked like this before she married William. Being globally famous has obviously taken its toll on her. She is absolutely anorexic and I really feel for her. It's a terrible illness.

We don’t really know anything about Princess Catherine’s medical situation, she could have crohns or stomach issues, she definitely had a lot of sickness when pregnant so I think it unfair to just use the words eating disorder as it could be far more complicated than that. It always is. She has a light inside her and I think she comes across to me as a genuinely decent woman, and a great mother. I think she is absolutely beautiful too.

having had a relative with a bmi of 14.5 in the past, they were exhausted, barely able to function, definitely not thinking clearly.

Ariana looks dangerously thin, There is a real risk of her collapsing on stage in front of people.
For what?

People are right to say ‘stop’ here.

Nasty. Ariana Grande is an exceptional talent, regardless of whether her work is your cup of tea. She has a four-octave range with excellent control. Karen Carpenter was a true contralto with a range of approx three octaves but her gift was the warmth of her lower register. Comparing their voices is like comparing apples and oranges.

In addition to her own instrument, Grande is a gifted mimic - her Céline Dion impersonation is absolutely spot on - and a decent comic actress.

I mean, to be absolutely fair we don't know anything about Grande's medical situation either.

I agree it's not unreasonable to think she's probably anorexic though.

Kate has looked terrible for years now? How come ok to talk about Grande's body but not Kate's?! Weird.

Princess Catherine has not kicked off a world tour, up on the stage dancing and singing every night and travelling. She rests and steps back when she is unwell. She prioritises her health and steps out of the public and focuses on her family. She cancels things if she is not up to it.

Thats a completely different situation.

Lizzo has actually lost weight and been accused of BETRAYAL of the plus size community.

Looks like there's only Lindy West left

Why not just let the situation evolve? No need for a dramatic sitting down chat.

Poor woman.

No idea why people are being so arsey OP she needs people to protect and look after her instead of just as a cash making machine.

I was thinking more of Karen’s talents as a drummer, but ok.

I’m probably being a big arsy. It comes from a place of being frustrated by the view that when someone has complex problems the answer is “force them better”- which you hear commonly, especially re women with mental health illness.

it makes no acknowledgement of the basic freedoms we all have- to continue with our lives, not to get help. It gives the impression that an adult woman can just get a good telling off from a grey suited insurance man or music manager and all problems solved.

AG is a very powerful business woman. She makes a lot of money and creates a lot of employment and value. She doesn’t get told by someone to stay hidden away and frankly, neither should she.

Something must have gone on on the Wicked set because all the women came out significantly worse for wear- with some very intense behaviour from both AG and CA. None of them were particuarly normal size anyway but significantly changed during that shoot.

I have wondered exactly this, OP. One of my children has an eating disorder and when she's that underweight, she's on bedrest and wheelchair or, at best, driven everywhere. Also, the internal damage of being very underweight and then keeping going is immense, things like osteoporosis, damage to internal organs as well as malnutrition, risk of heart attack. I guess she has a team of doctors around her all the time monitoring these signs, that amount of exercise is also risky as your electrolytes can go crazy, but again, I guess they monitor her all day every day, supplement her, give her infusions, and on the stage she goes. It is deeply worrying.

Eugenia Cooney? If so I'm amazed she's still alive. I remember when her friends tried to stage an intervention years ago and I saw a video about her recently and it's horrific. Actually made me feel sick, she looks so so ill it's painful.

It's awful watching her decline before our eyes. She is such a beautiful looking girl and her talent is unbelievable. I hope she gets help soon.
She should take a break for a few years.
I see how actors and singers can lose momentum when they take a break and it can be hard to get back in but surely she has enough money she can take a break for a year or two for her well being.

I agree there are important differences between the impact of a fat celebrity and a too thin celebrity.

1. As others have said, being that much too thin is far more of an immediate danger to anyone's health than being any degree of fat that we usually see in the public eye. The really fat people who are at serious risk of dying any time now are not cavorting about on stage - if they achieve fame at all it will be through appearing on documentaries about extreme body issues, or making the news when someone has to take out a window to get them out of the house. If we're talking people who are maybe about a size 20, 22ish, there are plenty of people of that size who can and do run marathons. Not fast, maybe, but they've got more stamina than I have!

1. Although there is a movement for people who are already fat to feel more comfortable in their bodies (not an entirely bad thing IMO), I find it very hard to believe that anyone who is currently medium sized sees a fatter performer on stage and actively wants to put on weight to look more like them. The danger with seriously underweight people in the public eye is not just to their own health, but the fact that rightly or wrongly, people are sometimes inspired to emulate them.