Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

100% this. ^ People have had enough, and no-one gives a shiny shit any more about the silly (and incorrect) accusations of racism, just because they DARE to question these individuals being in the UK (who - as you say - have no place in our society and whose values do not align with our own.)

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It does lead to it because it just happened. And it’s not the first time.

The system doesn’t have to be there, and people can say no to being used as a vetting system. Would you offer to be the one to see who is ok or not? If not don’t expect others to be.

You still haven’t answered my question.

This is absolutely priceless mental gymnastics.

If these men come from a misogynistic and highly violent culture toward women, walking past them vs a group of say Australian men would be worlds apart based on the culture these men come from.

You're acting obtuse because the usual R card didn’t work.

Go and live somewhere else then where you can see it or stop trying to belittle people, call them racists and making excuses for these disgusting criminals who have taken the piss with our immigration system!

100%. The way some people are twisting themselves out of shape to try and deny the FACTS here is truly inexplicable!

I'm afraid you're wrong.

Gaslighting would be me claiming that you haven't seen what you say you've seen. I don't say that. I don't disbelieve you. I just have a different experience.

Given that we both live in the same country and have different experiences, surely the sensible thing would be to look at objective facts rather than these different subjective experiences. If we do that, we find that your experience, whilst true for you, is not representative of the country as a whole. Mine is more representative.

You only become a racist when you ignore these facts.

Quite amazing the lengths this (I’m assuming) woman will go to in order to protect the reputation of men who come from countries where women are dirt.

Afghanistan just banned education for women in a long list of other human rights gone for them. But I’m sure the huge swathes that Jenrick let in under the shadow of the night are all pro feminist lovely chaps.

Are you happy for sex to be an indicator of potential criminal behaviour?

Men commit the most crime. This is a predominantly white country, so if you're white of course most criminals look like you also.

But what is the percentage of people from different demographic populations committing different types of crime?

That's why I suggested you travel outside of your bubble...to the towns that ARE affected!

I am not racist, never have been in my life, don’t think you can put that crap on me and millions of other decent, good people who feel exactly the same as I do.

Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in.

Yeah, this would be nice. Sadly it’s the opposite, we’re bending over backwards to accommodate everyone else’s religion/beliefs/cultures. Why the hell has halal become so prominent in a Christian country? Why are there prayer spaces in public places? Because we want to appear oh so accommodating whilst calling anyone who flys an English flag a thick racist. Great!

I am a liberal leftie type, but what I see in the city near me is exactly what is being talked about on here. Big groups of this demographic hanging around, with the uber eats /drug delivery bikes, not mixing or joining in with the very friendly city vibe. All young men

I don't excuse any criminal.

I'm sorry if you feel belittled. But if ignoring facts and basing your opinions on subjective experience isn't racist in this instance, what is?

Look I don’t give a flying sod about your word salad. Do not tell me I’m wrong! And yes it is gaslighting to deny something is happening or claim someone else is racist just because it doesn’t suit your narrative

Keep fighting the good fight, but I'm not sure this thread is the place for fact and reason. It's the Two Minute Hate.

I'm afraid that poster is NOT wrong dear.

@Blightfittingwould you offer to be the person who lets us work out who is a wrong un or who is ok? Why are you ok for others to provide this service for you with their life.

Can't find it on the BBC website!!? That tells us everything we need to know about our public broadcaster.

And I think it’s really easy to preach from ivory towers where you don’t have to live in the world where this is happening

They’ve been banging on about ‘facts’ but not once have they mentioned the source of their ‘facts’. I’ve asked them twice now and they’ve ignored me both times.

You are basically on this thread excusing a criminal. Otherwise why are you on it? What are you trying to achieve by arguing with people who have concerns, are angry and have had enough!

Sure. Is it ok if the crime happens to someone else?

Then, again, you see something different to what I see.

I think it's hard to judge 'mixing with the vibe' and I don't think it's wise to base policy on it! But if you are concerned about criminality, I would again recommend looking at actual statistics. That might make you worry less.

Its all kicking off in Belfast tbh, a bus has been set alight