Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Oh ffs.

edit coz quoted wrong person. Hes Irish. Not an immigrant.

You mean the same word for sweeping generalisations about ur everyone who is angry being a racist! Try another one!

Do you fancy being in shoes of victim’s family? Because there situation seems less painful to you.

You didn’t answer the question. When people want to call out sweeping generalisations about people based on where those people are from or their immigration status, what word are they allowed to use? Would you prefer bigotry? Ignorance?

And you haven’t answered mine! Typical hypocrisy from the left making sweeping generalisations about people being racist for being angry then accusing people of making sweeping generalisations!
Come back when you have something a bit more realistic say with a better argument!

Let me spell this out for you.

We should not let people in who come on boats and destroy their documentation - not racist.

Come from cultures where this is considered the norm - absolutely fucking racist.

Ignorant too - why don’t you tell me what you actually know about Sudanese culture and where you’ve learned it from?

But that is exactly what I said.
If you read my post properly you will see that I didn't say that it's about a community that didn't integrate. I am specifically talking about individuals and, in this case, a family.
If the Digwa family had integrated into the British Sikh community, they would have integrated to British society. They aren't 2 separate things or shouldn't be.

There are millions are good, hard working and kind people in the world that deserve happiness. But we cannot take them all in to our country, we don’t have the jobs, infrastructure, housing or services to cope with it. It is happening too fast and large groups are coming here, NOT integrating and shaping our country and culture beyond recognition. It is not about skin colour for many people who have concerns, and a large majority are not racists! They are patriots who want to preserve what is dear to them. It’s like if the national trust just opened its doors to squatters, what would the result be? This is a Global issue, there are concerns all over the world and in nearly every country. Shutting it down is surely a sign of total ignorance.

You have nothing to say about the victim or their family but think you have some higher moral values to lecture everyone shaken wiyj this tragedy with long posts.

“Come from cultures where this is considered the norm - absolutely fucking racist.”

Think you need to look up the word racist. Get a grip! It is not racist to be concerned about undocumented men coming over on boats! Not all are Sundanese I agree. However the huge majority are from countries who don’t respect women! That is NOT racist to say! Stop changing the meaning of the word!

You didn’t appear to actually ask a question (see the lack of a question mark). You tried to come back with some whataboutery. Do you object to people like @Vivaea calling out bigotry?

Whataboutary? Oh don’t make me laugh!
Where’s the whataboutary in what I’ve said? You do not have an argument to put across when you yourself are making sweeping generalisations about others being racist! You just like to come on these threads tying yourself in knots trying to defend these crimes. It’s hilarious… sweeping generalisations…. Racist. What next 😂

People are angry because they're told they're racist for just noticing obvious problems with uncontrolled migration

So sudan isn't a backwards country, but your husband had to flee after experiencing "unimaginable horrors"? Horrors which continue to this day 😞 I don't blame your husband for getting out, but I think its a bit hypocritical to chastise people for recognising the clear issues with the country that was so bad he had to leave everything to make a new life elsewhere. Im sure he won't be taking your daughter for a visit anytime soon, will he?

Would you move to live in Sudan with your daughter?

Exactly! But the poster has taken it as a personal attack and labelled everyone as a racist.

In NI, there were around 50,000 victims (deaths plus injuries) in the Troubles. That's white British and Irish men and women attacking each other for being the wrong type of Christian. And you've now just found anger when it's a black person?

But if there’s civil war and rape and pillage surely pretty much everyone in Sudan would have a valid claim for asylum? With the best will in the world we physically can’t give sanctuary to them all. Where do we draw the line?

It seems the issues that caused them to flee in the first place are now being imported here. Great!

Now, now
You know we don’t record crimes in any efficient way to enable us to make this claim.

Countries that have recorded crimes by asylum seeker males separately have shown a disproportionately high propensity for violent crime, especially sexually violent crimes.

We should only be accepting women and children and keep the men they’re fleeing off our streets.

Any sudden influx of anyone will cause slight anxiety. Thats normal and baked into our dna from an evolutionary stand point.

We all got used to, and indeed enjoyed the Polish population living here. They aligned and integrated well.

What’s your point?

It was their willingness to undercut British trades people that caused the anger. Not their nationality.

This ⬆️
Our country is full to bursting, we can’t afford to properly provide for born and bred brits (of all races) and there’s a massive risk that unsettled displaced traumatised people will act out when left with no hope and no chance of progressing their lives.
I think by attempting to house everyone who’s from an unstable country that we’re actually making things easier for the dictators and corrupt leaders to continue, as all the opposition and potential dissidents just leave, making it worse for those who stay.
They should all stay and try to improve their own countries instead of exiting and ending up frustrated deranged and violent in their host countries.

No, he didn’t flee Sudan. He left some time ago and has been studying and working abroad - otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to meet him.

His family had to flee, not because the country is awful but because they’ve been subjected to a huge civil war between two corrupt leaders who organised a coup a few years previous and then turned on each other. As I said, many militants have been recruited from other countries to this war with the promise that they can rape and pillage as they please.

We would happily take our daughter there to visit should conditions improve in the future. His family very much miss their home. It’s so easy to label places as ‘backwards countries’ without knowing any of the facts.

People have forgotten the Troubles so quickly and are ignoring the history that means that NI is able to organise protests to the level of last night.