Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Have I said that? No.

Sorry where did I say that was ok?

See this is ridiculous because I fall into that category of living in an estate with a large population of newcomers. Do the faces i see around me look different now than when I was growing up here, yes they do. Has that affected me in any way? No. Has that taken anything away from my culture? No. Has it reduced my ability to speak my own language? No (I've actually yet to meet someone who hasn't learnt English as the vast majority of newcomers do).

There is plenty of space to practice and celebrate your own culture and language without it taking away from anyone else's. But if you are viewing other people as a threat then I'm sure it will feel like one.

I've made lots of new friends who are migrants. That's taken nothing from me in any way but they certainly add a lot to my life.

I always think it's really telling when people have debates like this who are the people who actually know some migrants personally, who has actually got to know asylum seekers personally and who is just looking at them as one homogeneous group with no individuality. It's like the pp who said they can't think of anything positive about immigration - very clear they haven't met anyone who's a migrant who's been a force for good in their life unlike the many other people who now have new friends, husbands/ wives, family members as a result of migration who bring lots of joy to their life.

This absolutely this...all the time...an excuse ...fueled by the death of real people who are used by a disgusting mob for entertainment and unleashed physical or verbal violence

There is no intention or wish on this thread to prevent more suffering

"He agrees with the people on the street."

Yes because the only solution to hate and violence is... more hate and violence? 🙄🙄🙄

When were we looking to government? When we voted for Brexit? When Reform went up in the world?

Because what's happening and the issues we have now is absolutely a direct result of public voting.

Where the centre leaves a vacuum, the far left and right spot an opportunity.

This. Sharpen up, ignore Gertie Goad and Lou Nee Left.

Brilliant post. 🙏🎉

A couple of streets from an old prison officers college for me turned into an asylum seekers reception centre AND a street from that a bail hostel and category A prison
No problems at all...well not from the dispossessed...from UK drunken men and increasingly women...a fair amount of crime

I’d hazard a guess that not one of those fire starters could even spell all those words.

Their motivations are not some noble resistance, and never were. God you’re gullible.

They are making perfect sense to many of us.

Honestly, your little "You can't sit with us", Reform Girlie Gang attitude is embarrassing.

Chocolatefreak can say whatever they like.

Are you for real?

I don’t. I was responding to your post about people being unreasonable expecting immigrants to speak English in public. Anyway, I think we’ve exhausted this specific point now. My head’s starting to hurt, so I’m off to bed….

You do realise that the men who saved the other man were immigrants don’t you?

The main hero in question is called Maitiu Mág Tighearnán

We spend £70 million pounds a year on interpreters and that is excluding BSL.

Yep ...does that challenge the lies you tell yourself to make this running mob feel ok?

Eh??? I was quoting @chefalist talking about their own husband.

You’re upset that deaf people need interpreters as well?

Do you show the same level of outrage when a white man assaults or murders his partner, or is your anger only triggered when the offender fits a particular narrative?

Calling me "loony lefty","your kind", and claiming I'm boring people isn't an answer. It's just name-calling in place of an argument.

If you disagree with my point, explain why. If not, the insults speak for themselves.

Oh, another one!

Reform? Hell would freeze over before I voted for them, so don’t make assumptions.

Carry on defending the rights of men from violent, misogynistic, backward countries. You look like a gang of lunatics. You are part of the problem and it’s sickening.

If you mean ‘is this accurate’, yes.

You can interpret the facts however you want.

You think a police officer couldn’t spell those words?

I think there was a mix-up because you posted it in bold!

@Chocolatefreak, Allisnotlost1 agrees with you.