Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

The posters that seem to deem things like the distant history of the British empire as a reason to allow areas of the UK to be turned into dangerous alien ghettos.

She wasn't talking about people on holiday. That was a different comment by a different poster afterwards. Also someone else said in another post "Speaking your first language in public is definitely closing down any integration. It suggests you’re not willing to learn the language of the country you choose to live in, in which case it pretty much determines that there isn’t going to be any integration"

And as I’ve said in response to your other posts, of course the same should apply to ex pats. Why shouldn’t it? If you’re on holiday, it’s totally different. Nice if you can pick up a bit of the basics, but surely you can appreciate that it would be a huge waste of time to learn a language in its entirety when you’re possibly only going to be in the country for a ten day package holiday. I visited Italy ten years ago for a week. Not been back since - you think I should have learned Italian for my short break? If you’re moving to a country, any country, on a permanent basis then you should learn their language. Pretty obvious.

Let’s not rebuild with either, obviously.

Yes
That doesn’t mean people can’t speak to their family and friends in private conversations which don’t involve English speakers in private places in their own languages.

She clearly stated public places.

So what you mean is, the police officer agrees with the masked mobs attacking homes, setting fires, damaging property, and targeting ethnic minority residents - ie, far-right crowds engaging in violent disorder?

And all of that's ok with you?

We don’t know.. that was the point of my question to the poster who indicated she thought there might be MH issues..

How has he got past all the “relentless safety checks” in order to gain refugee status with such a dangerous mental health condition?

If you read what I have written, I said something different ..maybe you need to in..te..grate...more

You are saying people should speak the language of the country ...that ought to include you too

I grew up in north / west Belfast & have always spoken out IRL on the shit that went / goes on there.

Surely, this would bring the nationalists and the unionists together

“Anyahyacinth · Today 23:33
...and as I said for expats too? For you when you go on holiday?”

Yes, the ire was, correctly, aimed at the police due to the way they responded.
It doesn't change the fact that the Digwa family didn't integrate, and had no desire to do so.
Both things are correct.

British values

Put on a hood/mask and set busses and houses on fire

You have absolutely no evidence that people don't learn the language

Yet nobody does say that’s wrong, do they? No-one expresses any anxiety about that at all. Yet you’re upset if people speak a different language in public.

I wonder what culture has been ‘destroyed’ by immigration. I genuinely don’t see that. What British traditions, customs or values have been taken away as a result of immigration or people speaking a different language? Where I live there is still Morris dancing and Christmas trees, a summer carnival and a packed beach, with all that entails. We eat the same mix of British and other foods. Genuinely, what do you see as having been ‘destroyed’?

ETA I haven’t anywhere called Brits thick or ignorant. You’re projecting. I’m a working class woman in a very deprived town, that I grew up in.

But you can’t use that the brush over any hardship of The Empire by saying what you said.

It completely weakens your argument to be so ignorant about history. It makes you appear completely ignorant, and so any argument you have to make is seen as ignorant as a result.

I think "ordinary people" are now at the point where they are done with this. I know I am. I would never cause criminal damage or hurt anyone but I am at the point I would consider joining a protest peacefully which would never have been on my radar before. The Government aren't listening and won't if they don't have to.

They keep telling us "Henry Novaks family don't want this to divide us" and they will try to spin the same from this poor chaps family no doubt. While Rhiannon Whyte's family want action such as all asylum seekers tagged and they are not mentioning that. They only use the families when it suits their narrative.

Exactly. I wonder how many of them react with similar fury when a white man beats or murders his girlfriend or wife?

There's the deliberate starvation of millions of people in Ireland for a start. Lord Lurgan, who died from typhoid trying to help the starving population of Lurgan and Portadown, during that time, witnessed a family of nine all naked living in one room. His frequent pleas for money in the House of Lords were ignored.

Nobody wanted this! But the clowns who voted for Brexit led us to this. We were told it would create labour shortages, we were told it would end our ability to return people arriving in small boats to France. When Brexiteers voted to stop white Europeans from coming to the UK, it led to labour shortages and opened the door to the rest of the globe. Combine that with leaving the Dublin agreement which kept small boat crossings at bay and hey presto! Look where we are now, in a fucking mess.

Agree @Winter2020& @chefalist

White privilege.

When a white person commits a crime, it’s the individual that it’s the wrong.

When a non-white person commits a crime, it’s the entire population of non-white people who are to blame.

There have been multiple stabbings over the past couple of weeks.
Why do some get so much attention and hate than others.

Why are black peoples homes being set on fire.
Why are they being forced to leave their homes out of fear of violence or death.
These people did nothing wrong.

What makes you think the Digwa family didn’t integrate? The father was known as Gary at work, because his employees who were mostly white Brits, couldn’t pronounce his very uncomplicated name (Moga). Sounds pretty integrated to me.

Context...is a far too complicated reasoning and thought process for people who just want to feel superior because of an accident of birth and skin colour.

Using murder and criminality to ride a wave of self created prejudice..using the deaths and victims as their fuel 🤢