Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

I think the Individual 'tried' to behead the victim.
The victim is seriously ill in Hospital I think.

I’m sorry, but completely ignoring all the terrible things which happened under the name of The Empire is unbelievably ignorant!

The two are absolutely not mutually exclusive.

Agree
I think the majority of the ire was directed at the vastly different reactions the victim and perpetrator were given by the police.

I think you’ll find we said plenty.

Yeah let’s rebuild with people like the beheader instead! Woo diversity!

When did you say it?

No she said if people are speaking a foreign language in public they are not assimilated

...and as I said for expats too? For you when you go on holiday?
The hostile environment evident in this thread makes immigrant communities cling together ...you said it was ok for expats to speak English...but there is some special reason ...that others shouldn't speak their own language...does it relate to skin colour? Your feeling excluded in some way? Marginalised? Almost like giving you a kind of minority feeling?
Does that discomfort bring with it an awareness of being 'othered' at all???

We have looked to Government for a decade and they have done fuck all. In fact, they have made it worse.

No. He doesn’t. Are you back to these tactics again?
He empathises with the source of their anger not their actions.

What do you base that on? Nothing anywhere with details on his background yet, other than his nationality. The police haven’t released any information yet on his mental health.

Not the mental health card again. So what if he has poor mental health

No one is complaining about people on holiday here not being fluent in English.

You’re making false equivalences here and it undermines your point more than any disagreement ever could.

I think we can do something about the native shitbags though. We can expect parents to raise their children better. We can expect boys and men to act better, and to keep each other accountable. We can expect schools and sports clubs and employers and pubs and gyms to be alert to the kind of toxic attitudes that lead so many men to be abusive.

I wonder how many of those men out setting fires and smashing things tonight are good to their wives and girlfriends.

Yes you're right, because Britain is the only country to ever do anything bad. I forgot that, silly me. There have never been any others to do the same or worse. Awkwardly glances towards whatever the fuck is going on in the middle east, large swathes of Africa, a good chunk of Asia and eastern Europe.

Yes we are truly a unique sort of evil here with our science and worker's/women's rights, I'll give you that.

Gut feel. Nobody sane would do something like this.

We don’t expect holiday makers to assimilate.

I didn’t realise there was confusion about that.

Where are your facts to the contrary? What are your sources?

It’s ridiculous of some posters to come on a thread about a brutal attempted beheading that happened yesterday on the streets of Belfast and want to talk about “all the terrible things which happened under the name of The Empire “

Excellent post 👏🏼

Who has said Britain is the only county to have ever done anything bad?

Where did the pp specify that her husband sympathises with ‘the source of their anger’?

He agrees with the people on the street.

Unless you think she is unable to articulate what she means, it seems pretty clear. He agrees with the people on the street.

Yeah, now instead of nitpicking the wording I used, perhaps you could consider which areas and whose communities are the ones being obliterated. Yes, those cities all have lovely, affluent areas…but yet again, it’s the deprived communities who are the ones getting the shitty end of the stick. And being insulted and gaslit by the affluent bubble classes to boot.

Christ.

As someone who lives in Belfast, if you think these scumbags actually care about the victim, I have a bridge to sell you.

This is what they do. It's a night out for them; any excuse will do.

He agrees that undocumented men from violent and misogynistic countries are a threat to our safety.

Surely you don’t need everything spelling out to you. Surely you can work some of this stuff out yourself?