Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Actually, that's an interesting point. Both Nowak and Digwa were from immigrant families.
One integrated, the other didn't. I think that is one of the issues that many posters have brought up on this thread. The lack of desire to integrate, ever.

This is an absolutely genuine question, because I haven't read many reports on this case and may have missed something. But do we know whether the attacker in this case is deemed sane? If he did not have capacity to form the required intent, then he can't be guilty of murder.

...and not speak English in public ..with their family and friends?

Laughable when people bring up the empire. Yes it was such a hardship all these countries having laws, roads and medicine thrust upon them.

Maybe one had a hostile environment applied to them and the other didn't? One had visible difference, the other didn't?

And I agree. Every person moving to live in another country should learn the language of that country. But you clearly think otherwise?

Oh please ...read...read at least 1 book ...this is such an ill informed low thing to post

He empathises with the source of their anger. Not their actions.

Stop trying to villainise people who are angry about a man who was beheaded in the middle of the street.

…but you didn’t say that. You kind of omitted the family and friends part.

You think the Church of England was wrong when they detailed the need for reparations?

No YOU said speaking their first language in public...were wrong

We have over a million NEETS. Maybe we could start making use of those people to do the work. Maybe we could train, and employ, our own doctors. That way we wouldn't have to run the risk of importing rapists and murderers.

Till no answer to my reply on Sudan then ?? Snookered.

@Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim
Has the victim died?

Yes but “with family and friends” implies in the privacy of their own home.

Why do you say that please? Is there an update?

And it is. If you’re having a private conversation with family, then obviously fine. If you’re in a restaurant ordering a meal, or in a bank getting assistance, but need interpreters to get you through a conversation, then that’s not okay….

6 days ago Stephen McCullough was sentenced to 31 years in prison for the murder of his partner Natasha McNally who was 15 weeks pregnant. He stabbed her to death. Why were people not on the streets protesting about that?

Too fucking late Einstein. Fear and intimidation was already here when this country allowed these “men” here.

You dont think the British were in Sudan? 🤦‍♀️

It is the combination of corrupt country leaders and Western extractives companies / trade policies that work together to make money for themselves and not their people.

The thing is, UK companies like BP, Shell, Anglo American, Tullow Oil etc have grabbed and ruined land and rivers and national parks because they're greedy. And the UK population benefits from their greed.

I don’t think he’s sane. My first reaction was that this is Nottingham all over again.

@DBSFstupid
The pp I was quoting said the victim had been beheaded.

Yes, of course they were wrong. Totally out of touch with reality.

Why are you equating people who work in the NHS with men who arrive illegally from dangerous countries -countries that are dangerous because of these very men? Why are you drawing equivalence? They have nothing in common unless for some reason you think being non white makes them one homogenous group?

Someone can be livid about the number of men from dangerous countries committing atrocities and violence and at the same time grateful for the people that work in the NHS including the people that are not white.

Seems pretty racist to me to lump these people together.