Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

I actually think anyone moving to another country should learn the language of that country. Absolutely. That includes Brits in Spain, Dubai or anywhere else. I never suggested otherwise.

*We don't want murderers or rapists. But facts help show that no race, religion or ethnicity is more likely to commit those crimes than others."

They really don't. There are stats from various European countries that break crimes, including rapes, does by nationality and some offend large orders of magnitude more that others.

Plus I'm more and more convinced that a lot of "asylum seekers" rocking up are in fact dangerous criminals fleeing justice.

If you’re so clever why don’t you reply to my other reponse to you about Sudan?

‘Stabbing’ that’s part of the problem

I just posted data from Germany, that tells you the opposite. Here it is again, in case you missed it. You must have missed it. I'm sure its the same here in the UK, if we were allowed to see the data. If it is even recorded.

Germany is acknowledging the unspeakable
A pattern of criminality is shattering taboos
Andrew Hammel 2024

The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023.

Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years. The statistics go on for page after mind-numbing (or mind-boggling) page.

In spring 2024, Herbert Reul, Interior Minister of Germany’s most populous state(22 million inhabitants), Northern Rhine-Westphalia, said something remarkable: “We have a problem with non-German criminals.” What’s remarkable is not what Reul said but the fact that a centre-right politician from the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party said it. Nancy Faeser, Germany’s Interior Minister from the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) — which courts voters of non-German ancestry — also said something which would have been branded far-right provocation just a few years ago: “We have to talk about the rise in crime by foreigners”.

These statements may sound benign, but they shatter taboos. German politicos and journalists have long suppressed discussions of why certain groups of foreigners are overrepresented in crime statistics; Section 12 of the official German press code even forbids identifying the ethnic ancestry of criminals to combat “discrimination”.

Any references to “crime by foreigners” (Ausländerkriminalität) as a distinct problem were met with charges of xenophobia and racism. What has moved the Overton Window is a stream of grim crime statistics published by government agencies or, just as frequently, leaked to journalists.

https://archive.ph/QqLJo#selection-867.0-873.344 Accessible link

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

No, a police officer who understands the anger of a community who have had large scale immigration foisted upon them, which includes military aged males from incompatible cultures, some of whom are extremely dangerous.

Probably the only attempted beheading tbf.

Guessing you only speak one language then? Most immigrants to the UK speak at least two, and whichever one they choose to speak ‘in public’ is nothing to do with integration. How many Brits in Spain or Dubai speak the loval
language do you think?

What have you given up?

How many people on this thread can acknowledge that ‘migrant’ has a different meaning to ‘non-white’?

Immigration, legal or otherwise, is a majority non-racial issue.

Economic, geographical, professional, religious, military, yes - race, only a bit.

The problem, of course, lies in knowing who is "more of the same". Statistically it is much more likely that people coming in as refugees are just normal people who are escaping something awful, and who want to get their heads down and work to support themselves and/or their family. If we never allow any immigrants in, how do we know whether we are shutting out potential murderers or potential doctors who will save many lives?

My god, all you needed to do was a tiny bit of research and that is beyond you. Some education for you:
The British Empire colonized numerous territories across Africa, establishing control through military conquest, treaties, and economic dominance. Major British colonies and protectorates in Africa included:

1. West Africa:
2. Nigeria (including the Lagos Colony, Southern Nigeria Protectorate, and Northern Nigeria Protectorate)
3. Ghana (Gold Coast)
4. Sierra Leone
5. The Gambia
6. East Africa:
7. Kenya (including the East Africa Protectorate and Colony of Kenya)
8. Uganda (Uganda Protectorate)
9. Tanzania (Tanganyika and Zanzibar)
10. Somaliland (British Somaliland)
11. Southern Africa:
12. South Africa (Cape Colony, Natal, Transvaal, Orange Free State)
13. Zimbabwe (Southern Rhodesia)
14. Zambia (Northern Rhodesia)
15. Malawi (Nyasaland)
16. Botswana (Bechuanaland Protectorate)
17. Lesotho (Basutoland)
18. Swaziland (now Eswatini)
19. North Africa:
20. Egypt (occupied and administered as a protectorate from 1882 to 1922)
21. Sudan (Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, co-administered with Egypt)
22. Other Territories:
23. Mauritius (including dependencies like Seychelles and Rodrigues)
24. Seychelles
25. St. Helena (including Ascension Island and Tristan da Cunha)

And ironically, exactly the reason Reform is gaining traction is because the far left are seemingly incapable of having a sensible conversation about these topics and can’t see that calling every single person who dares to express a shred of concern for the economic effect of mass uncontrolled migration and the erosion of British cultural values is an out and out racist thug is just as bigoted, uninformed and ridiculous as the notion that all illegal migrants must be some awful danger to society.

Maybe it’s because that police officer is witness to the results of the crimes brought by mass immigration. Then he is expected to deal with the fallout of said crimes.

Do you think all police officers are blind/deaf to what is happening in front of them? Don’t forget they have families too and fear for the safety of their own loved ones.

Police are human beings, not robots.

Quick kick all those expats out of Spain and Dubai then

Oh god. Just shut up.

Just fecking give over will you.

Why would you use a horrific attack on a person who is in hospital to foment prejudice and and riots?

What possible use is your post other than to spread fear and intimidation.

But there literally have been. Sorry but it's been omertà to mention Rochdale, Oxford, all the grooming gangs-those men weren't white yet they were all abusing vulnerable white girls because people were too scared of being called racist to point out the obvious. I really can't stand Rupert Lowe, I think his so-called solutions are jaw dropping simplistic, but that's who people will vote for because he's actually saying the unsayable. Where the centre leaves a vacuum, the far left and right spot an opportunity.

Former colonies include Singapore and Dubai. Somehow they manage to have their shit together.

Would you not expect to observe the ways of a country if you were to move abroad?

But it doesn’t. Ultimately it’s down to the regimes and leaders of those under developed countries. At the head of any struggling third world country are leaders with fat wallets and living in luxury. If they don’t care about their own people, there’s nothing we can do to help. The money is there but being stockpiled by their leaders.

Farage called for Brexit, which meant immigration stopped from Europe and increased from Africa, Asia etc. People 'turning to Reform and Restore to control immigration' is a completely illogical reason.

Perhaps Brexit wasn't damaging enough the first time?

If that’s what Dubai and Spain thought would be best in order to protect their own country, why should they not?

The “fallout” is violence by a bunch of thugs who have been spoiling for an excuse to go on the rampage. It defies belief that a police officer should align himself with them. Let’s hope he’s in a tiny minority in PSNI.