Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Yep

We don't want murderers or rapists. But facts help show that no race, religion or ethnicity is more likely to commit those crimes than others.

But migrants, whatever their background, do. Them’s the facts. No one knows why.

It’s the justification for giving immigrants and illegal migrants firmer sanctions for a while in most other countries.

My brother is under migrant safety sanctions now in Scandi, he’s white and a homeowner but he can’t get a parking fine without drama.

Everyone accepts it as the price of civilised life.

I really didn’t. Can you reference me to where I said that?

They aren’t. The stats have asylum seekers under represented … right wing media is picking up cases …they are not statistically over represented at all

People who want to feel racially superior will never hear that though ..they are so desperate to believe themselves superior

It also brings into question how far are people expected to go to 'assimilate' into the UK.

Obviously there will be lots of people who will be fair about this but there's also a lot out there who feel people moving here shouldn't be observing Islam or wearing head coverings or speaking their first language in public.

For me there's a real question about human dignity as a migrant. When you move to the UK you're not just yourself you're now representing all migrants and being represented by all other migrants. It's extremely unfair to put that on someone. People can retain their identity and still integrate if people are willing to be open minded and respect that diversity. I don't think it's fair to always put the responsibility on the migrant to adapt to 'our' ways provided they are respecting the laws of the country.

Was it in the name of religion? I didn’t think any suggestion of motive had been disclosed.

Why have any cases of someone doing what this perpetrator has?

I would love to welcome with open arms, Sudanese men, especially ones who are experienced in beheading individuals publicly. I also welcome and would love for a few Afghan men to come and stay with me and my young female children.

How do I sign up to help these people? Could we maybe set up a group amongst all of us to make sure these men are looked after?

Or how about as women, we stop trying to outdo each other with historical quotes and trying to intellectually put other women down?

You are all so intent on trying to outdo each other do each other, it’s pathetic. A man is fighting for his life tonight and it turns into a war of words on Mumsnet and anyone that disagrees is a racist.

I disagree with this racist message.
One lunatic doesn't define immigration policy.
White Brits have been blowing each other up, maiming, stabbing, beating, kneecapping etc each other because they are the wrong sort of Christians near where this horrible attack took place, and none of the people shouting about this attack said anything.

I'm absolutely sick of them too. SICK of them.

Was today’s attempted beheading and eye hacking ‘right wing media picking up cases then…?’

Speaking your first language in public is definitely closing down any integration. It suggests you’re not willing to learn the language of the country you choose to live in, in which case it pretty much determines that there isn’t going to be any integration.

This just isn’t factually correct..you may want to reflect on why you are so desperate for it to be true? Would it make you feel better about yourself? Your choices?

Migrants are under represented in violent offences compared to native citizens.

Maybe you are afraid of young men? As a entire group worldwide they are more likely to commit crime

Lmao. No thought for the poor man who’s in hospital fighting for his life.

The real important thing is to make sure we are nice and supportive to the men coming over in boats who we have no idea who they are and values include beheading men and stabbing females with screwdrivers because they didn’t like what she said, or raping our women and girls.

“We” did nothing of the sort. Wtf? How fucking dare you.

Perhaps more (recently) traumatised, no doubt in part by our actions.
Im not ok with the act but im ok with people.
The rhetoric on this thread will only harm far more people than you hope to protect.

I think you need to educate yourself with regard to colonisim in Africa. The major colonisers were the Dutch, French, Belgians and Italians

So no UK expats if you ruled the world…that’s a lot of people headed back to our shores from Spain, Dubai, Portugal and more…

Which recent tragedies?

If it includes Henry Nowak, it sort of destroys the argument given that Digwa is a British citizen.

....I'm not sure you understand how debates work.
You actually reply to what the person you're debating with said, not a bunch of made up stuff that they didn't say.

You think it was the only stabbing in the UK today?

White British men in masks have this evening set fire to people’s homes in an entirely senseless ‘protest’. What heroes.

How about we ban all men, no matter where they’re from, from buying knives, balaclavas, or anything else that could be used as a weapon? How about we ban them from workjng with children or vulnerable adults, or contact with unrelated women. That would make a genuine difference to violence.

Ah snap, exactly my thoughts

Agree…any excuse to unleash racism

Our comfortable, resource-rich, consumption-driven lifestyles directly impact on those living in developing countries.

If we demanded fewer comforts, maybe life would be easier and people wouldn't be compelled to leave to try for a better life elsewhere.

It's absolutely down to us. But people like you will never put two and two together.