Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

I did not see you mentioning anything like that in your previous posts. Your stated very clearly that because I had parents born outside the UK I could not be British.... well I am, so you will have to get used to it. You also said that recruiting people from abroad cut off chances for UK citizens. It does not, you need qualified people to make sure the NHS runs. You cannot get enough people locally so you recruit overseas. You need to distinguish very clearly between legal migration (which we need), and people arriving without permission which is an issue. You are I think quite deliberately not making this distinction.

Perhaps all the racists should agree to decline care that isn’t offered by their idea of a citizen and not use any technology that benefits from any resources stolen from…Africa and other places..so no mobiles and no surgery, no carers if you become unwell.

So you feel safe then, it’s just bad luck for the victim no problem?

While in a majority white country.

Would you state you’re more likely to be attacked by an Iraqi man in Iraq, or would that not need to be noted?

Your friend must not know NI very well as it’s mostly loyalist paramilitary groups that are still active and we hear a lot about in the media, not the IRA.

Are you comparing a foreign doctor to a Sudanese asylum seeker (albeit with ILR) who hacked someone’s neck?

This is such a reach.

I know this, why are you mansplaining at me. I havent said anything alternative. You've been incredibly abusive to me. I havent missed any points at all.

Afghanistan is an unpleasant place because of factors such as war, poor conditions for agriculture, and very low economic development cause by those two things.

I honestly believe people like @Blightfittingare on a wind up with their responses to attacks like these.

Statistics (as thats what people like you seem to like) show that rape in countries such as Sudan and Arab states that are at war, are 66% of women and girls.

TWO THIRDS OF WOMEN AND GIRLS ARE BEING RAPED IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES BY MEN WHO ARE "FLEEING" HERE.

Do you believe just the "nice men" are coming? Have a day off.

We are allowing in men who treat women and girls like dirt. Rape and attack us. We are allowing in men who attack men in the streets and try to behead them.

And all some people say is its not all of them.

If I offered you a handful of sweets but told you one of them would kill you, would you eat any? No. Same goes for these men.

Enough is enough. Send all illegal immigrants home. We dont need hotels full of bored men with nothing to do. If you dont live around it and have no understanding of what it is like living near these places, then respectfully, keep your opinion to yourself as you have no idea.

Then maybe their disability

That is already beginning to happen.

It’s clear that the asylum system is broken and people are going under the radar. It’s wrong, but nobody seems to have any real answers as to how to stop it.
Im listening and reading all the comments and it’s always the same isn’t it. Nobody seems to get a grip of how to control these situations from happening.
This is why people are frustrated and unhappy.

Agree. Probably the fact someone has been attacked has given the young (because most look to be young people, possibly teens) who are masked up an excuse to riot and hurl bricks at the police.

Well, thank God he will be there to deal with his countryman's contribution.

One attacks you and the other one tries to fix it-a wonderful balance that benefits us all!

Ohhhhh
so women aren’t allowed to look out of their own windows because the agricultural landscape is bad!

‘Unpleasant place’. Do you know how women and girls are treated?

They certainly did.

Germany is acknowledging the unspeakable
A pattern of criminality is shattering taboos
Andrew Hammel 2024

The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023.

Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021.

In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years. The statistics go on for page after mind-numbing (or mind-boggling) page.

In spring 2024, Herbert Reul, Interior Minister of Germany’s most populous state(22 million inhabitants), Northern Rhine-Westphalia, said something remarkable: “We have a problem with non-German criminals.” What’s remarkable is not what Reul said but the fact that a centre-right politician from the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party said it. Nancy Faeser, Germany’s Interior Minister from the centre-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) — which courts voters of non-German ancestry — also said something which would have been branded far-right provocation just a few years ago: “We have to talk about the rise in crime by foreigners”.

These statements may sound benign, but they shatter taboos. German politicos and journalists have long suppressed discussions of why certain groups of foreigners are overrepresented in crime statistics; Section 12 of the official German press code even forbids identifying the ethnic ancestry of criminals to combat “discrimination”.

Any references to “crime by foreigners” (Ausländerkriminalität) as a distinct problem were met with charges of xenophobia and racism. What has moved the Overton Window is a stream of grim crime statistics published by government agencies or, just as frequently, leaked to journalists.

https://archive.ph/QqLJo#selection-867.0-873.344 Accessible link

https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/

Well it was going to be Rwanda until Labour pulled the plug. It only has to be somewhere less desirable than France and people won't come.

This entire thread is about the ethnicity of offenders so obviously it's relevant here.

If I was in Iraq and we were debating a foreign criminal I would of course point out that you were far more likely to be attacked by an Iraqi in Iraq than a non Iraqi in Iraq. It's obvious.

We do have stats though.

No, his mothr was American which according to people here means he isnt British, despite having a British dad!

There are lots of benefits to immigration - student immigration is a massive funder for our universities which takes financial pressure off local students at higher education/increases resources local students then avail of. Any migrant coming to the UK for work on a visa pays thousands up front into the NHS before ever utilising it on top of paying for their visa which is a significant payment. The only migrants entitled to any public funds are asylums seekers or refugees which is a small percentage of overall immigrants. So every other migrant is working to fund themselves, paying taxes and paying into our economy.

If other people are taking on under paid labour or living in unsuitable hmos then those people are being exploited and the criminals profiting off that should be the ones held accountable.

To stop immigration and close our borders would have serious impact on higher education, healthcare and our economy.

ETA that it would also open the UK to legal challenge for human rights abuses if we deny vulnerable members people the ability to claim asylum which is protected in human rights law. We also under cut our own human rights protections by undermining that law.

Ditto. Same as other countries in Europe who run checks on everyone the way we don’t.

Three or four afghans have been accused of luring a 17 to a house then raping her then they fled on a lorry out.