Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Do not sweat it. They will attack you the same as they attacked last night victim. Or your daughter or son. Wake up!

You miss the point, you can be British with immediate parents not born here. It is very straight forward. The Duke of Edinburgh was part of the Greek Royal family and also had German heritage. Most British people have a mixture of origins from Ireland Scotland and Continental Europe. There is no such thing as someone simply being English.

I thought his mother was French.

We should close our borders until we have sorted out the problem of all the people who have arrived here illegally in the last few years. Deport them all, and then consider re-opening the borders if continued legal immigration is deemed to be useful. Although I’m finding it hard to see any benefit from it at the moment, I must say.

I’m not willing to give up my country and female rights to be weighed down by dross because of the sins of ancestors past.

It’s a boring argument now.

Well stop using the fact your relatives work as doctors and nurses as a stick to beat anyone with concerns about immigration. We’re not talking about people who can bring something useful to the UK, who can contribute to the country they have chosen to live in. We’re talking about those who come here with no intention to integrate. Who hate us and our way of life, and are not vetted. Who want to take but not give. But I think you probably already know that….

So just to be clear you think the British shpuld be allowed to go round the world wrecking havoc and none of those chickens should ever have to come home to roost to them? The British have been fucking around in Africa and the middle east for decades but when the outcome of their bullshit is chaos they should be able to walk away and wash their hands of it? Why should countries who had no say in what the US and UK were doing in those regions be burdened with the refugee crises that were caused?

Still denying there was any violence at the BLM protests? Are you still going to argue that we should allow unlimited mass illegal migration?

He agrees with the people on the street. I agree with them

You agree with this? Your husband agrees?

Third world problems? You don’t think violence and murder happen? Your husband agrees with a mob? Rather proves my point

they know it but don’t care because as history has proved time and time again, there is no accountability for the damaged caused and is still being caused to many of the country of the migrants coming here.
non-one really wants to talk about how “western values” have contributed in destabilising those countries.
Yt fragile at its finest

Stabbing somebody makes it attempted murder at least.
Get back in your box.

The hate is only yours

I wasn't aware that we spoke during the BLM protests... so please don't put words into my mouth. I'll never condone anyone damaging local businesses. Racist statues is a different matter in my book but someone's home or livlihood or public resources should never be harmed via 'protest'.

"Are their voices heard by the authorities when they say they want no more immigration-no they are not."

The problem with this though is that it's bully tactics. 'I'm not getting what I want even if it's not what everyone else wants so I'll burn the place to the ground and hurt others until I get what I want.'

There are laws and human rights that uphold immigration and these are crucial, fundamental protections that serve us all. The debate on 'no more immigration' is as you know complex so it takes a lot of naivety to suggest that we'd be in a position to stop immigration quickly. Never mind that it's a key element of our economy (which is struggling). Why do you think it is that the government should listen to the voices of people who are against immigration over the voices of people who are pro-immigration, or pro immigration with tighter regulations? This is democracy. I'm not being funny but people literally voted for brexit. If you voted for brexit then you have got what you voted for. None of this should be remotely surprising to anyone if they did their research when they decided to vote for brexit. And if you didn't do your research and just voted based on what farage and Johnston said that sounded nice then that's your mistake to take accountability for. (Saying you in the collective sense not you specifically)

Not sure why you find that funny. It’s not.

All these threads on the same subject.

There is no answer to all of this.

We are a country divided and nobody can fix it.

We just have to navigate our way around a fast changing landscape, and any one who dissents is called a bad name but nothing else will change, every day life will get more violent.

@MelanzaneParmigiana I often wonder who people think would protect us also if we went to war ? It's not going to be smug arm chair man is it ??

Brilliant, so we have a police officer that hates immigrants joining in the fun now.

There’s probably a fair amount from the man welding a knife stabbing eyes and sawing at someone’s neck.

Not the man who tried to hack off
another man’s head?
He had no hatred?

Yawn. Suicidal empathy bingo again.

1 if this is true, where is your evidence that the British specifically were at fault? Destabilise is a very vague term. I guarantee this will be disputed or disingenuous.

2 the govt should not let any Sudanese in by this logic as they then all pose a residual risk the local uk population and the govts first role is to protect its population.

3 why didn't he go to the first safe country and stay. He passed thought the EU to get here.

4 the UK is not one large NGO or charity.

Well and what about all the ME countries that exploited each other and had wars with each other and exploited each other, each had powerful empires in the past, all fighting with each other and taken over the other

Same for many African countries, infighting way before the British empire, various regimes took over various countries and various times, empires come and go and will continue to come and go in a different form in future since the introduction of war crimes and the concept of human rights.

Why is Afganistan such a hell hole then? Every age demographic there.

Why do you think Afgan men have a personality transplant when they leave?

Except that statistically speaking I am many times more likely to be attacked by a white British person.