Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Its disgusting. And a train was set alight.

Freedom from Torture is a UK charity that addresses that work

That's right. On one side. So if you can prove that you have British heritage on one side, you don't count as being of immigrant heritage and the three generation suggestion doesn't count?

And I’m pretty sure you haven’t.

MNHQ keep deleting my posts. I live here in NI, part of the UK. Our country is up in arms, houses have been set alight, buses, cars. My husband is a police officer who is doing his duty but will no doubt be attacked. He agrees with the people on the street. I agree with them. This country has been through enough shit. We don’t need third world problems here. We are trying to rebuild a society after 30 years of civil war. People here don’t need anymore. We are done. We worked hard for peace and we need it. For the sake of our children and future generations.

My family largely works in the NHS as either Doctors or Nurses. I was born here, so hard luck, I am British. Sorry you are not now proud of your country, but that is your problem, not mine. It must be quite exhausting seeing us all here and thriving?

Odd how we had Brexit because the country supposedly didn't want people with names like Nowak.

Now there's a different group to hate.

Yes, definitely. We shouldn't accept males from a whole string of countries whose culture is incompatible with our own. They should stay in their own countries and fight to make their countries better, rather than fleeing like cowards to the west.

It’s called a taste of your own textbook medicine

Let’s be honest here, giving back anything to these countries will not benefit the people living there. Most of the regimes are corrupt, to the point that any help given to improve lives there will be just taken by the regimes to feather their own nests. Because that’s what they do.

Is it?

Why weren’t you “fighting back” when Suella Braverman and Jenrick were in Government in 2023?

Jenrick was minister for immigration when the Tories’ open borders policy under Boris Johnson led to record immigration. He then gave hotel owners lucrative contracts lasting until 2029 to house asylum seekers. Jenrick is now Reform’s spokesperson on immigration.

Yes, OP! 👏

I think they are pointing out that western values is a colonialist mindset ..a joke and a fraud. First concentration camps ….Great Britain. Man made famines…Ireland and Bengal…GB. Rape and murder are part of our society and blaming them on one ethnic group is weak minded

Well of course not. Not that it was my suggestion.

People pop up on every thread about the cat and a letterbox claiming the Royal family 'arent British' but would be affronted if someone said that someone who came here in the 70s or whatever arent British or their kids arent British.

How come there are different rules for different people.

Yep!

It was a bus, not a train.
A bus that was highjacked and set on fire by thugs who are just looking for an excuse to riot.
Public transport is publicly funded in NI, the rioters are crapping where they eat.
This whole thing is stupid.

How do you feel about the perpetrator, all good?

Well, I'm as much a mongrel as the King.

Agree with everything OP!

How childish.

It’s what all governments do it seems ..high speed rail? The post office? You think we don’t have huge corruption?

I did not. I have never been there.
I am not denying the sad situation Sudan is in, at all. And that they need help. But none of the citizens of UK has anything to do with it.
UK could pressurise the countries who are selling weapons to the two armies, intervene to stop the war and assist on rebuilding the country. Helping them by sending un as much food as possible and helping with the refugee camps in situ. But we have little money left to go around after dealing with refugees here, if you remember the foreign aid budget is being used here.

But we do not have to be told how it is our fault and what? We need to put up with one every 1000 of refugees pulling a knife on us? Is that what you mean? Because I am not prepared to do that.

I see.
So because people who were born here hundreds of years ago committed crimes in other countries we should accept that we can expect to be beheaded on our way to buy a pint of milk.

Got ya

Sad to see parts of Belfast on fire tonight.
Arlene Foster was on sky news earlier on and made a lot of sense.