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Belfast attack

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Greenwitchart · 09/06/2026 17:51

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

  • This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.
  • However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.
  • The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.
  • I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.
  • Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.
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MightyDandelionEsq · 09/06/2026 22:14

Crocsarentslippers · 09/06/2026 22:13

Well, we've got riots and fires in N.Ireland now so I'm sure you'll all be happy.

Maybe a couple of innocent immigrants can be targeted as well just for good measure, as a warning like, in case they were thinking of doing anything.

I haven’t seen anyone on this thread or the other approve the riots we’re seeing now.

What I have seen is many people (mostly women) fed up of being told to ignore what they saw and not want harsher border controls and punishments for foreign criminals.

Flyingintotheunknown · 09/06/2026 22:15

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2026 22:13

No.

Only racist when it suits your narrative then… when you’re arguing with people about their views on immigration and claiming they’re racist. Oh and gaslighting them by claiming there was no violence at the BLM protests on another thread!

Lopella · 09/06/2026 22:15

Cappuccino5 · 09/06/2026 22:04

I wouldn’t say that the truth is insensitive or unnecessary. Pitiful sugarcoating isn’t helpful. It’s not a nice area to be in, end of. Can I safely and calmly walk around my suburb of Belfast tonight? Yes, of course. I’ve just been out with the dog and apart from strangely quiet roads there’s not a hint of unrest here in BT9. New Lodge and the surrounding areas would be another story..

Given what happened there today, was it actually necessary? No. Not saying something is not the same as sugar coating.

There's many pockets all over NI as deprived as New Lodge and it does not make the people there any more or less deserving of what happened. You were just taking an opportunity to stick the boot in.

RollOnSunshine · 09/06/2026 22:15

Livelovebehappy · 09/06/2026 22:07

Unfortunately, it’s far too late to resolve the situation. These people walk amongst us in great numbers, and they’re going nowhere. Will the government do anything on the back of what happened in Belfast? Nope. They will focus more on any unrest which is taking place tonight, and will continue with their ‘nothing to see here’ narrative. A few words of sympathy, and then business as usual. Our children and grandchildren are going to be living in a cesspit in the decades to come, and the government is enabling it.

Sad isn't it.

Our successive governments ideal that you can create some kind of utopia through importing a load of third world immigrants then banning people from criticising the result.

Blightfitting · 09/06/2026 22:16

MightyDandelionEsq · 09/06/2026 22:11

We don’t push hard enough.

We allow the human rights of the criminal to trump the victim.

There are many examples like the ‘chicken nugget’ excuse as to why we don’t deport. If you’re in the prison service, I’m starting to see a reason as to why we don’t get tougher.

We allow human rights.law to trump things that violate that law, yes. And I'm glad that we do because for every crazy example you can give there are 100 examples of people being protected legitimately against the actions of an over powerful state.
Should we try our absolute best to avoid the crazy examples? Of course. But should we throw baby out with bathwater? No.
There is a reason why the 'British Bill of Rights' never goes anywhere. It's because actually writing it in a way that removes the annoying bits of the ECHR without also removing really important rights from millions of regular people is dead hard.

WaryCrow · 09/06/2026 22:16

Cyclebabble · 09/06/2026 22:03

Well very sorry for you but the UK has changed since the 1950s. We are now a culture with many different origins and we are stringer for it...and we are British and going nowhere. As I often suggest to people like you. Next time you need medical attention make it very clear no one brown or black should be involved in your care. Let's see how you get on then

No Britain is not stronger for having so many immigrants arrive in the last 20 years. Which is what we are talking about.

If you are one of the many millions that have arrived in just those 20 years, then no, you are not as British as those who’ve been here for a thousand years.

And I’m sick of the derailing about immigrants in the NHS. I work there too. I know many many youngsters there who either have no intention of trying to work up because as native British people they are disadvantaged and discouraged from doing so while it is so cheap to hire trained people from abroad, or who are paying thousands to work. It’s a scandal and a disgrace.

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2026 22:16

Flyingintotheunknown · 09/06/2026 22:15

Only racist when it suits your narrative then… when you’re arguing with people about their views on immigration and claiming they’re racist. Oh and gaslighting them by claiming there was no violence at the BLM protests on another thread!

I haven’t called anyone racist on this or any other thread.

likelysuspect · 09/06/2026 22:16

Cyclebabble · 09/06/2026 22:09

Well I am British. My parents were born in India. Sorry to disappoint you...we are here....and we are staying here.

Im not disappionted and Ive reported your previous post to me as a personal attack. You're being unbelievably abusive and seem to have problems understanding what Im saying.

Pollqueen · 09/06/2026 22:17

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 09/06/2026 20:51

Aren't young men the highest offending group? I don't think nationality is a high predictor of criminality.

Oh bless you in your ignorant naivety

Flyingintotheunknown · 09/06/2026 22:18

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2026 22:16

I haven’t called anyone racist on this or any other thread.

You denied there was violence at the BLM protests. Complete total utter denial and gaslighting from you!

WearyAuldWumman · 09/06/2026 22:19

likelysuspect · 09/06/2026 21:51

How so? Churchills father was British and was of British heritage. Brunel's mother was British and was of British heritage. The Royal Family have been British from at least the early 1800s

Churchill's mother was American, I recall. The King's father had some British in his heritage, but was of Greek and Danish heritage.

FlyingWithBingoWings · 09/06/2026 22:19

Lavender14 · 09/06/2026 22:09

@flyingwithbingowings the fact you can cherry pick a couple of stand out high profile news worthy attacks in response to this is ironic in the face of the amount of serious violence happening in NI recently that barely makes the news. Why do you think that might be?

Many, many people in NI agree with her bloke because we're watching in real time how people are out en masse recklessly destroying public property, burning their own resources and being violent to whoever they can get access to no matter their background or how long they've been here if they don't look or sound the right (white) way. And many of them are kids who have been riled up by adults deliberately on misinformation and who are being weaponised. Which is child criminal exploitation by the way.

Did you say this when BLM riots were destroying shops and statues?

Of course not.

Rioting won't solve anything, that's true but when those in authority won't listen, the sense of frustration and the need to do something, anything, is overwhelming and that's what's happening here.

If they say anything deemed to be "racist" and almost anything these days can be seen to be racist-then they are the ones who find themselves in trouble and many are now at the end of their tether.

Are their voices heard by the authorities when they say they want no more immigration-no they are not.

They are called stupid and racist and yet they are neither. How frustrating do you think that is?

They are forced to listen to far left voices telling them that diversity is our strength, that this is the intelligent way to think, when they can see it is just a big fucking lie peddled by shysters, idiots and holy fools.

What do you think will happen in this tinderbox?

This is the fault of the authorities who play their fiddle while England-and now Ireland-burns.

chefalist · 09/06/2026 22:20

Why was my post deleted MNHQ? Does it not fit your agenda and you don’t like people with current concerns who actually reside and have reasons to be concerned with the state I reside in?

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2026 22:20

Flyingintotheunknown · 09/06/2026 22:18

You denied there was violence at the BLM protests. Complete total utter denial and gaslighting from you!

Still haven’t called anyone racist.

Justwonderinghow · 09/06/2026 22:20

The concerns may be genuine, but it just highlights how some lives are considered more valuable than others.

Many people say they are living in fear and have “had enough” because they believe immigrants are taking over the UK or are responsible for crime. But none is really discussion why so many people are forced to leave their homes in the first place.

Many of the people coming here are from countries that have been destabilised by decades of conflict, exploitation and foreign interference. The “western values” have played a role in creating the conditions that force people to flee. Maybe some of the energy directed at migrants should be directed at governments stop contributing to wars, instability and the exploitation of poorer nations.

People often speak about defending “Western values” or “British values”, but what exactly are those values? Britain, like every country, has its own history of injustice, from the Windrush scandal to serious failures within its institutions and criminal justice system. (Hampshire case of 3 British boys sentenced by, I will assume a Yt , British judge effectively allowed the criminal to walk away free. The victims traumatised by the incident and their lives forever changed- this worries me too) No society is perfect.

Yes, let’s send the migrants back to their counties and while they are on their way hand back the resources take from those countries.
Let’s start by returning what was taken and allowing those countries the opportunity to rebuild without outside interference from Western Values. That would likely require giving up some of the benefits and privileges that came from those resources( Congo- Cobalt), and I suspect many people would not be so keen on that conversation.- but I suspect that very few will be willing to trade their home comforts for less stress and less fear because the lives of the innocent children don’t matter.

We can have a debate about immigration. It is a legitimate topic. But it has to be an honest debate that addresses the full picture: history, foreign policy, war, economic inequality, resource extraction and the role wealthy nations have played in shaping the world we live in today.

Immigration does not happen in a vacuum. If we are going to discuss it, we need to discuss the causes as well as the consequences, not just our fears.

actions have consequences

sittingonabeach · 09/06/2026 22:20

Some rioters have set fire to a house with people in it. How does this help the situation? Police had to go in and rescue the occupants. Will people riot because these people’s lives were put at risk?

Anyahyacinth · 09/06/2026 22:22

Msmfailedusbad · 09/06/2026 18:40

The suicidal empaths will be along in a minute today any of the following - nothing to see here / accuse posters as racist/ not terror related / trying to police peoples language and feelings in the typical two tier way like they did with Henry Nowac. It’s like bingo this week on here.
I am fed up
I am scared , now and for our shared future
I am angry - for the victim ,for his family and friends , for the witnesses , for my community , my country and for my children.
We didn’t ask for this .

We are part of this though…if it transpires this man is Sudanese…Britain destabilised that country ..we exploited that country and resources wars are happening in that country now

MushMonster · 09/06/2026 22:22

Winter2020 · 09/06/2026 22:08

Please share your facts that "no race, religion or ethnicity is more likely to commit those crimes than others". I would be interested to see this research you refer to.

It does not concur with what I found researching crime in Sweden when they kept the statistics about the perpetrators.

I have a theory on this.
Any population has around 98-99% of sweet people who would not harm a fly.
But, amongst those who have experienced severe trauma, abuse, wars, isolation, hardship, the % of commiting a crime goes up. They become the 1-2% of offenders in any group.
Who comes here illegally? Those running from wars, trauma, hardship, or so they say, right?.... and they will be mentally affected by it all. But is anyone addressing this? Because it is not apparent to me.
Not that we can get the whole picture till immigration status, country of origin and so are recorded.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/06/2026 22:22

WearyAuldWumman · 09/06/2026 22:19

Churchill's mother was American, I recall. The King's father had some British in his heritage, but was of Greek and Danish heritage.

The point I'm making is that the 'three generations' suggestion that was made earlier would exclude both.

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Flyingintotheunknown · 09/06/2026 22:22

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2026 22:20

Still haven’t called anyone racist.

Your ability to spew the same lines as all the others who do is enough! It’s typical textbook denial from the left by insinuating people are racist for not wanting migration and completely denying things that have happened… ya know, like denial of violence at certain protests because it doesn’t suit your agenda! And I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you use the word racist before.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 09/06/2026 22:23

OnSecondThoughts · 09/06/2026 21:54

I read somewhere recently that the psychologist Jordan Peterson has a theory about the sort of women who are STILL voting for the parties which want to continue letting all these hordes of unvetted "refugees" (ha!) in: He thinks that underneath their virtue-signalling feminism and 'right-on-ness', they secretly desire to be dominated by men (in a sort of Amy Winehouse 'Stronger Than Me' sense). And seeing as Western men in general are becoming sort of emasculated (exactly as Winehouse moans about in those lyrics) they (left-voting women) are subconsciously welcoming these new arrival men, who are unburdened by this culture. It sounds completely batty at first, but I don't know.... there has to be some explanation!

Peterson is a misogynist

viewing women as the route evil to the breakdown in family order

I personally wouldn’t care for a word he makes up

Pollqueen · 09/06/2026 22:23

Cyclebabble · 09/06/2026 22:09

Well I am British. My parents were born in India. Sorry to disappoint you...we are here....and we are staying here.

That's brilliant and you are more than welcome as law abiding, tax paying citizens. This is not what is being talked about on this forum, can you not see that?

likelysuspect · 09/06/2026 22:23

WearyAuldWumman · 09/06/2026 22:19

Churchill's mother was American, I recall. The King's father had some British in his heritage, but was of Greek and Danish heritage.

Again the clamouring to 'prove' someone isnt English/British!

Churchill comes from a huge long line of British, as does Brunel as does the Queen, as does Prince Philip on one side.

This is like when people are desperate to say that Fish and Chips isnt a British dish

If we accept that someone settled here, coming to live here and immigrate here and has been here for decades is British, which they are, then I think the Royal family, Churchill and Brunel are also, arent they?

Because if they're not, then neither are recent immigrants.

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