Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Correct. And we should try to deport foreign criminals. But this needs to be done legally and requires the cooperation of the recipient country, which is why often it doesn't happen.

Try not to be patronising if you can. It can be resolved.

Please share your facts that "no race, religion or ethnicity is more likely to commit those crimes than others". I would be interested to see this research you refer to.

It does not concur with what I found researching crime in Sweden when they kept the statistics about the perpetrators.

Completely agree with you OP

By all means push for a more efficient home office process that promotes integration and proper monitoring, push for the government to undo the damage that brexit caused to the immigration system.

Good luck with that.

Well I am British. My parents were born in India. Sorry to disappoint you...we are here....and we are staying here.

@flyingwithbingowings the fact you can cherry pick a couple of stand out high profile news worthy attacks in response to this is ironic in the face of the amount of serious violence happening in NI recently that barely makes the news. Why do you think that might be?

Many, many people in NI agree with her bloke because we're watching in real time how people are out en masse recklessly destroying public property, burning their own resources and being violent to whoever they can get access to no matter their background or how long they've been here if they don't look or sound the right (white) way. And many of them are kids who have been riled up by adults deliberately on misinformation and who are being weaponised. Which is child criminal exploitation by the way.

There is no culture which wishes to kill anyone. There are people who wish to kill other people. That's it.

We don’t push hard enough.

We allow the human rights of the criminal to trump the victim.

There are many examples like the ‘chicken nugget’ excuse as to why we don’t deport. If you’re in the prison service, I’m starting to see a reason as to why we don’t get tougher.

What’s your solution?

Thanks, it would probably be much easier to make it happen if we stopped fighting each other and together looked to government instead of the minority groups themselves wouldn't it? But I guess they give people somewhere easy to vent their rage when they feel like it...

Are you N Irish? Born and grew up in Belfast? Have you ever even crossed the Irish Sea? Better put plenty of seasoning on that foot.

“People judged as worth less because of their skin colour or religion. Then maybe their sex”

Zero self awareness.

What do you think motivated this particular crime?

I just want to thank @Blightfitting and other rational posters on this thread. The frothing at the mouth from others is really... something.

Isn’t this a bit “racist”?

Ridiculous. ‘Frothing at the mouth’ typical post.

Thank them for what?

Well, we've got riots and fires in N.Ireland now so I'm sure you'll all be happy.

Maybe a couple of innocent immigrants can be targeted as well just for good measure, as a warning like, in case they were thinking of doing anything.

No.

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"as those pesky facts prove, immigrants are no more criminally inclined than anyone else."

Please share the research you rely on here.

I think, politely, that it is time that the British government applied policies designed to discourage asylum seekers, and set a target for that as they have in Denmark. The Swedes and the Danes are tightening their criteria. So should we.

Give ilford or east ham in london a visit.