Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

They published it in Germany and it was eye watering.

Your diagnosis of the causes of our problems is wrong, plain and simple.

And whilst in a way I admire your pluck in unapologetically admitting to racism, I fear for us as a society if that becomes the norm. Once racism is normalised, even becomes something for people to be proud of (as you seem to be) it leads to dark places. People judged as worth less because of their skin colour or religion. Then maybe their disability. Then maybe their sex. Then maybe because they are you. Or me.

Hardly likely. It’s not the first horrific crime and the go to is a few empty words and call people far right.

Those bastards at the top in Government have allowed this. Our open door policy, the fact we don’t do proper checks, the fact we are overrun with illegal men has led to decent, hardworking immigrants, who are bringing something of value to this Country, to now feel frightened and like they don’t belong.

I pray to God that things don’t get out of hand and that innocent people of colour are targeted.

Course I have sympathy. As I said before, I don't like walking past any group of young men, bored, standing around. Asylum status has nothing to do with it.

Because governments own processes would be shown up.

The numbers of people seeking asylum significantly increased as a direct result of brexit. But that wasn't just because of more asylum seekers coming to the UK, it was because the length of time an asylum seeker took to move through the system went from 3-6months to 2years because we lost the ability to communicate with other countries where they may have already attempted to seek asylum and been denied. So it's not that we suddenly have a massive influx, it's that the system cannot work post brexit so people are coming into a system but not leaving it thus inflating the numbers massively.

So to me it's the absolute height of irony that the likes of farage and reform are positioning themselves for power as a result of immigration being inflated when he's one of the key players who put us in this position anyway! People need to stop looking at their own frustrations and being led like sheep by reform media scaremongering. Its actually depressing how well its working and noone seems to be recognising that we are in this mess because of brexit on top of years of austerity and cuts to public funding while the rich got richer.

No you answered a post talking about 3 generations. And used Churchill, Brunel and the Royal Family as examples who wouldnt fit that

They do of course.

I think that previous immigration waves such as Windrush or the Indian subcontinent was different in terms of what is British and English because those countries and areas and populations formed part of the commonwealth.

So someone who came here in the 60s and then had a child in the 70s, that child is British. The person who came here was British.

Someone who immigrates today seeks asylum but is successful from Chad. Im not sure I describe them as British now. Perhaps after 50 years or so, or their kids.

And Denmark.

Well very sorry for you but the UK has changed since the 1950s. We are now a culture with many different origins and we are stringer for it...and we are British and going nowhere. As I often suggest to people like you. Next time you need medical attention make it very clear no one brown or black should be involved in your care. Let's see how you get on then

God I can’t even. This bloke stuff it’s too much. But yep.

This in spades.
People have eyes and ears.
We wont be cowed by the suicidal empaths any more - trying to downplay ‘incidents’ and apply two tier policing of peoples language and feelings because it makes them oh so clever and rational to do so.
What, after all, is rational about an attempted beheading?

Finished? He’s talking about the society he grew up in during the troubles and it’s fair to assume he knows more about it than you. Strangely N Irish posters in this thread agree with him.

Insulting people doesn’t add to your credibility by the way.

The NI population is 96.6% white.

I wouldn’t say that the truth is insensitive or unnecessary. Pitiful sugarcoating isn’t helpful. It’s not a nice area to be in, end of. Can I safely and calmly walk around my suburb of Belfast tonight? Yes, of course. I’ve just been out with the dog and apart from strangely quiet roads there’s not a hint of unrest here in BT9. New Lodge and the surrounding areas would be another story..

I only call people far right when they say things that are far right.

I don't think that all we get is empty words. I just think that getting policy right in this area is really very difficult indeed, which is why nobody has done it yet. I think people are trying really hard, and that people who convince you that the solution is really easy are lying to you. Remember when they said that all of our problems would be solved if only we voted for Brexit? Turns out it was harder in reality. Same with this. Don't fall for the lies again.

I agree wholeheartedly with every word, OP.

If we deport the foreign criminals, the prison service will have more money to lock our home-grown criminals up for longer.

As a Jewish woman the racism word absolutely isn't boring to me. But I appreciate your thoughts.

Unfortunately, it’s far too late to resolve the situation. These people walk amongst us in great numbers, and they’re going nowhere. Will the government do anything on the back of what happened in Belfast? Nope. They will focus more on any unrest which is taking place tonight, and will continue with their ‘nothing to see here’ narrative. A few words of sympathy, and then business as usual. Our children and grandchildren are going to be living in a cesspit in the decades to come, and the government is enabling it.

I didnt leave out anything. Churchill comes from a long line of British aristocracy, where his mother comes from is irrelevant. Brunels parents plural were not Hugenot, his mother was from Plymouth as was her family. The royal family arent 'German and Greek'. Their heritage is British/English/European with tons of marrying in and out. The way of all Royal families around most of Europe.

I notice on this site people like to say the Royal Family are German and Greek despite actually being born here for hundreds of years, but someone say from Nigeria 30 years ago is British?

Peterson is full of bullshit on this one.

Our men are not emasculated. They are gentile and reasonable.
But they can hit you with a stick and kick you to defend their own, when needed.
They are just able to keep calm and atempt reasoning and calling the police before getting confrontational.