Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

100% agree. Well said. If we can't check them properly then we can't let them in. The risk is too great.

Those ‘racist white men’ actually fought the attacker off yesterday and might have saved the man’s life.

Like hell would you be more scared of an Irish man saying a few hurty words vs a Sudanese man hacking some man’s neck to bits.

We could stop pretending that someone who arrived on a boat yesterday is as British as someone who’s ancestors and bloodlines have been here for thousands of years.

Perhaps move to the standard system of the ancient world, that members of a given culture were considered to continue being part of that culture, and not fully part of the new culture until three generations had passed.

Because when you say 'we know that these numbers have been fudged' I don't know who 'we' is and I disagree that studies are fudged. One or two, sure, but the overwhelming majority are robust.
And the sensible alternative to believing such numbers is what exactly?

“Racist white men”! How extremely racist of you to call white men racist! Talk about generalising all white men! Very racist.

We should include nationality, immigration status and ethnicity in all reports.
I know I have to write my whole live story everytime I fill in a form or do any training. There are times where the diversity box ticking bit takes longer than the training itself.
Well, same for crime. It can only help to clarify things. Keeping it in the dark is making thinhs worst.

We should include nationality, immigration status and ethnicity in all reports.
I know I have to write my whole live story everytime I fill in a form or do any training. There are times where the diversity box ticking bit takes longer than the training itself.
Well, same for crime. It can only help to clarify things. Keeping it in the dark is making things worst.

This is very scary

7 women killed in "domestic violence" incidents in the last reported 12 months in NI. By white men . None killed by immigrants

pretty sure it's accurate to refer to someone shouting 'get the foreigners out' as racist.

I think the people rioting are total scum. Just seen all the photos. Police cars set alight, disgusting.

To answer your question yes they are.

Do some research on Sweden if you are interested (who for a time collected and published statistics until the Government shut it down).

Of particular note is the use of bombing people's houses in gang warfare after a wave of immigration from Syria. Have a look at mass numbers of sexual assaults in Germsny after they opened their border.

If people from particular countries /asylum seekers are not more likely to commit crime why don't we keep and publish these statistics. There is a reason and it is because it would be bad for community relations. Wonder why that is. If the stats will show how peaceful these people are then demand that they are kept I dare you.

Yeah that’s alright then! Let’s allow thousands more of them to come here from other countries and commit even more crimes! What a dumb argument!

Yep did you read what happened @anniegun?

As an immigrant who had to jump through every hoop and still is, it pisses me off people like this are let in willy nilly. Something has to change.

I notice the perpetrator has been charged of attempted murder but the man is probably likely to die I would have thought.

So under your definition ition Churcill, Brunel and the Royal Family are not English or British. I think you are talking total bollocks. Or would you be more honest and say that anyone Brown like me under your definition is not English or British? In which case I call simple racist.

I am struggling to find anything @EasternStandard that matches the data @MightyDandelionEsq provided.

According to my bloke who was born in Belfast “The fuckers only need half an excuse. They just love violence”. He says that applies to both sides of the political divide.

I cant believe there are people still defending these people's rights to stay in the country. People are growing tired, angry and impatient about it. Nothing effective is being done to stop it.

That was somebody's baby who got stabbed, their son. It could be your son. It could be your daughter. It could be anyone, it could be YOU.

Taking stricter measures to prevent these atrocities from occurring is worth whatever collateral damage it causes.

Why are in prison conversions so prevalent?

I grew up in Rotherham in an area with a majority Muslim population.

I think you’re dangerously naive.

Is this just our new normal now? Barbaric savages attacking people on the streets every week? At what point will drastic measures be taken?

Our towns and cities are no longer civilised.

My city centre is like that these days, I rarely go into town as it is not a pleasurable experience due to the ebikes and e-scooters ridden by balclava wearing youths that all but plough into people and ride off laughing. There is an encampement of rough sleepers outside a long parade of boarded up shops, open drug dealing in the central square. As you say, it feels tense and unpleasant. Meeting friends for a meal on Saturday evening, we are doing an early start and an early finish so people can get home while it is still light. There was a rape in the city centre a few days ago so nobody wants to be hanging about.

Why is it important to you that a man can commit that horrific crime?