Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

I don’t either. What are we going to do about those people born in the UK?

Honestly it's embarrassing. How they can live with themselves knowing they are condoning the country to be driven into the ground is beyond me.

I show my arse to "academic" evidence that seeks to deny-for its own paymasters and agenda- what the rest of us read about, hear and see every single day.

I show my arse to it and, if I had the actual physical piece of paper in front of me, I would wipe it to my arse-something I feel a growing number would join me in doing.

Let’s get rid of the ones we actually can and then work to further punish the ones we have left.

Letting in 40k-50k of men from the boats this year is probably not going to help the risk likelihood percentage is it?

Put them through the CJS which wouldn't be so desperately overwhelmed if it wasn't for all of the illegal immigrants living here.

That's the issue isn't it? You don't actually care about the facts, and so there is no way to even begin discussing a solution to this problem.

And this is why those of us descended from immigrants* are asking for better checks.

If the authorities are not doing a decent of job of vetting, then of course people will simply say "Right. Stop. Enough."

*My dad was a single man - one of the Eastern Europeans who was an ally of the British and finished up coming to the UK (on a Royal Navy ship) after the Iron Curtain came down.

That may well make you feel better but until you can come up with equally well researched and peer reviewed evidence to show the opposite, that evidence remains statistically valid whereas you remain someone wiping their arse with sheets of paper.

Why is it that we don't keep and publish data on the nationality and immigration status of perpetrators of crime and violence then? If no particular group is disproportionately responsible?

We don't keep this data because it would be bad for community relations and it's obvious why this is. Keep the stats. Show us the stats. Prove to us that men arriving on boats from Sudan, Afganistan and Syria are no more dangerous than your average Brit. They don't because they can't.

Sexual crime is trending upwards. It's due to increased reporting apparently. I would love to know the nationality and time in this Country of the perps of these increased reports. If the stats are on your side you have nothing to fear in demanding they be kept do you?

Well said .

Being born in a stable doesn’t mean you are a horse.
Being born in England does not make you English.

Agree too.

To me it’s not even the fact that it was an asylum seeker it’s the fact that UK streets feel completely lawless these days. We live in a nice city suburb but in the last couple of years we’ve had groups of young men in balaclavas on electric bikes weaving in and out of cars and onto pavements and they’re terrifying. This is mid afternoon! My daughter is 9 and desperate for some independence but I darent let her pop to the shops on her own like I did at that age as things feel dangerous.
People seem to be het up, lashing out and with incredibly tight fuses and willing to become violent. Afterwards we see patterns of escalating behaviour and ‘learn lessons’ but fuck all happens. It’s terrifying.

I wonder how accurate this is when we know now that incidents such as rape grooming gangs by Pakistani Muslims did not have the race/ethnicity of perpetrators recorded for fear of being called racist.

Doesn’t really give much faith in a system hellbent on covering its arse.

I work in prison health.

The bikes are awful, really scary. Delivering takeaways and drugs too 🤷🏼‍♀️

What facts and according to who?

Your "academic evidence" are not facts-they're lies and lies that have now worn so thin that they no longer cover their arse.

So thanks for your academic evidence, many of us provide the cold hard evidence provided by our very own eyes and ears.

The discussion to ending this problem has already begun and if you're still waiting for the discussion to begin, you've missed the boat.

I think this will be a turning point. When even the liberal start to think that helping the 99% of asylum seekers who are non violent and peaceful is no longer worth the 1% who damage citizens and inflame the country.

I have always been very pro-asylum and helping those who were unfortunate enough to be born in nations where they are not safe or prosperous.

But I am beginning to be afraid. I worry that I will simply be commuting to work and be subject to a random attack. I worry that my daughters will face the attitude of men and boys not raised to believe in sex equality. I worry that the far right will react to things and make the streets unsafe.

Time for the nation to turn inwards for a while. To rebuild our economy and sense of order and safety. We cannot prop up broken countries when we are a broken country.

I'm a child of immigrants.

They moved here together, as a family. They fled civil unrest. They worked in the public sector, my grandparents fought in ww2 for the British. They paid taxes, they gave back, they worked hard, they died young after hard lives. They raised responsible citizens, I also work in the public sector, and have, my whole life.

I don't think the UK /NI needs more single, young males from overseas.

Dear God I sure hope so!

Letting in 40k-50k of men from the boats this year is probably not going to help the risk likelihood percentage is it?

Please provide the national statistics or data set for this?

Great post