Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

Or.. because he comes from a culture completely incompatible with ours, when it comes to women and gay people? Just a suggestion 🙄.

Well there clearly is a difference because this "new immigrant" has tried his best to murder someone.

I agree with all of the opinions on this thread so far. However to be fair a lot of immigrants do the jobs that a lot of British young people wouldn't touch with a barge pole ie Health and social care jobs which include anti social hours and caring for people whose care includes dealing with incontinence and stoma bags and end of life care. I have worked 30 years in the care industry and speak from experience.

Starmer feels impervious. A few utterances on appalling and far right and job done.

Do you mean most people are immigrants if you go back far enough to people who aren't actually them?

Maybe a major, major, major overhaul to our asylum system. Maybe a blanket ban on single men coming over from any Country that’s deemed violent, misogynistic, homophobic and backwards.

@Wiseplumnetnot a lot of unaccompanied males are really going to work in care though?

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Lots of people mentioning doing proper background checks etc..How is that meant to happen if people are coming from potentially war torn countries with oppressive/ineffective governments. I don't work in this area, so what reasonably are people from somewhere like South sudan expected to have checked? People may have had to lie, use false documents to get out etc. And even then you can have checks but even with say our DBS system or police vetting, you always get some people who slip through. So is it a case of stopping people from those countries (e.g. a lot of asylum seekers), or accepting there are always some people capable of violence in any group?

“We can all name incidents. But are immigrants or people from a particular culture or ethnicity proportionately more dangerous or likely to commit crimes than others?”

Yes, they are.

For example grooming gangs are very likely to be Pakistani Muslim, and knife crime is far more prevalent in the black community than in society as a whole.

Why are you pretending not to know this?

I bet people were petrified last night when someone was trying to behead another person in their street.

Yes, it is enough to make you cry but as you can see on this very thread there are far more people who are longer afraid of being called racist.

It has been used too often, often in nonsensical situations, that it has now just about eaten its own tail and drawn its own teeth.

There is a turn. Achieving the turn was the hardest thing and many people paid for it from the victims of the Pakistani rape gangs to Henry Nowak.

But turn it has and now can dedicate itself to gaining momentum.

In 10 years, very few people will care about being called racist. It will go back to its original definition and that can only be a good thing for everyone of every shade.

Oh no, not a thread by an immigrant who also thinks that we should curb illegal immigration.

Gosh, you are going to send the Left Wokerati into a hypoglycaemic meltdown.

Don’t you know OP that it’s only racist white uneducated English people who want to curb immigration, not anyone else.

And here it is - the truth. That most British people do not have a problem with people coming to work here, and recognise the value that “foreign talent” bring to the UK. We just don’t want the criminals or the religious psychopaths.

What’s more, workers from Bulgaria, nurses from the Philippines, students from India - they don’t want to walk down the street at night and worry about being raped, murdered or having their heads cut off either. Some crazy backward criminal who has just got off a boat isn’t going to walk past a person of colour and leave them alone if they are walking home at night. It affects them too. None of them are thinking, oh I’m BAME, I’ll be perfectly safe walking past an asylum hotel at 1am, they only go for whites.

I’m genuinely feeling all warm and fuzzy that the majority feel the same on the thread tonight. I feel like a weight has been lifted and everyone is coming together. It genuinely feels like people are seeing sense and realising that actually, we are allowed to question the immigration issue, and that no, it doesn’t make us racist scum. We no longer feel the need to be silenced.

We can’t that’s the problem.

Deemed by who, and based on what evidence? I think many would place the USA into that bracket, and quite a few might describe our own country in those terms!

Saying 'major overhaul' is fine but what do people actually want? Specific things that would lead to a net benefit to us. Maybe your suggestion is one such thing if we could define it properly but does that count as your major overhaul? If not, what else?

Yep

Oh here we go with this shit again! Banging on about us being immigrants from centuries ago! Yeah what a great argument!
You do realise these “immigrants” have been here for many, many years without the need for the rest of the world to also come and join them….and we, in the present are not responsible for shit our ancestors did or what happened years ago!

We are talking about the present and the future, not about fucking people who invaded here in times gone by! Jesus wept. What a non argument if ever there was one? Is that the best you can do to excuse these criminals coming over on boats! Yeah I mean that’s alright then cos our ancestors from years and years ago were immigrants! Ffs whatever will you think of for your next counter argument! How intelligent!

@keha,personally I think it is about stopping and returning people.

Yes, of course they were. But subjecting them to another night of violence and fear is not the answer.