Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

I think there are crimes committed by particular demographics which are more common. The document above sets that out

I dont know whether its a percentage of total crimes though, or a percentage of crimes per head of population of that demographic. Its a big document

I dont think its right to say that there is no one type of person more likely to commit particular crimes than others, we know that isnt the case. There are crimes more likely to be committed by certain ages, certain ethnicities, sexes, classes.

I haven't seen this in my own city. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen here though. It could happen anywhere.
However, seeing it on the news is enough to make me scared for our society. Scared for my kids and my family and where this will all end.
And I am angry that politicians tell us to 'stay calm' when their lack of action helped cause this. They have no right to tell us what to feel. It's as if they just try to minimise these horrific events.

OP completely agree with everything you said.

@blightfitting - I’ve asked you at least three times where you get all your facts from that you keep quoting, and so far you’ve ignored me. Why?

Belfast born and bred. Stand by my post. Not naive at all. And I am a local who disagrees. It was an insensitive and unnecessary thing to say.

Sorry @PilatesAndLattes .

I'm sorry too that you were banned, although that is par for the course for anyone who dares to say that all this dreadful woke shittery has brought us to the dismantlement of society.

Apologies again.🌺

Aren't young men the highest offending group? I don't think nationality is a high predictor of criminality.

Their countries should absolutely ban them visiting or moving there then shouldn't they. Protect their citizens as should we. Perhaps ban single males/all male groups.

Because if we don't allow them, we're called racist.

Exactly. It's because it's mainly the less well off people who bear the brunt of the govt mass immigration and asylum policies, that they can ignore it. Because it doesn't affect them or their families.

Which country are you referring to? Northern Ireland, or England or the UK in general? Sure most people are immigrants if you go back far enough but most would deny that. If you hadn't actually noticed, a good percentage of people in "this" country are bigots. Just read some of the posts on n MN to see that.

I don't care if I'm called racist, I care about my children and about regular families. I could cry.

Have you heard of the troubles?

We need to start holding policy makers, politicians, and members of groups enabling this destruction accountable.

See High Treason, of the Treason Act 1351:
"adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid and comfort, in the realm or elsewhere"

Agreed. Can’t stand the wet lettuces that turn a blind eye to these incidences because it’s “racist” to mention immigrants.

No concern to express for the people of Belfast like pp, whose kids are petrified? As long as it harms Starmer it's all worth it?

Course they shouldn't be here. But how do you stop them? What practical actual policies can you think of to stop a tiny minority of people doing a thing which aren't wildly disproportionate?
We could stop all asylum claims or immigration. That would work. But the costs would massively outweigh the benefits IMO. And it would also be a racist response if we were doing it based on false perceptions of criminality.

Me too. I actually can't believe we are where we are.

Disgusting post. Reported.

Men definitely, young men definitely

Most people in the UK are UK nationals so by definition, most young male criminals are going to be UK nationals of whatever ethnicity they are

The key is to try to find out what proportion of crimes are committed by different groups per head of that group's population

So are the Turkish community for example large commiters of crime? Or the Afghan community? Or the Irish community? Or the New Zealand community?

I did reply to someone earlier up in the thread, sorry. Migration Watch and the ONS in the main.