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ViciousCurrentBun · Yesterday 09:44

Genuine actual asylum seekers will most likely have been traumatised and genuine trauma is more likely to lead to serious MH conditions. Living round violence and seeing it as more normal means it could be more likely to play out. Just like children who see domestic violence are affected. They see it as normal which is why the children who witness Dv are more likely to end up in a Dv situation.

This behaviour is shocking what isn’t shocking is being surprised that a small percentage of people, that have escaped war zones will have behaviours that have made them seriously mentally ill.

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:45

StandingDeskDisco · Yesterday 09:43

What does Musk have to gain by the UK being in civil unrest?
Is it a coherent political strategy, or is it just that violence drives more social media engagement?

Power. Influence. Money.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 09:46

ViciousCurrentBun · Yesterday 09:44

Genuine actual asylum seekers will most likely have been traumatised and genuine trauma is more likely to lead to serious MH conditions. Living round violence and seeing it as more normal means it could be more likely to play out. Just like children who see domestic violence are affected. They see it as normal which is why the children who witness Dv are more likely to end up in a Dv situation.

This behaviour is shocking what isn’t shocking is being surprised that a small percentage of people, that have escaped war zones will have behaviours that have made them seriously mentally ill.

I wonder how many of these men are actually soldiers or members of violent militia groups? I bet many have killed many innocent people. I am not sure we want these here.

HalzTangz · Yesterday 09:46

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:00

‘Tedious’ posts about stabbings….
Because we should now just shrug and just accept our children being horrifically attacked.
Utterly despicable to casually condemn other peoples suffering.
This occurred last night / should have led the news everywhere in a civilised society.

Why should it though? What makes this stabbing more newsworthy than the multiple stabbings taking place on a daily basis

Teaandtarot · Yesterday 09:46

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:26

We should not want civil unrest. We should be able to be appalled without resorting to that. We should aim to be higher than a mob going out onto the streets throwing chunks of someone’s garden wall into the police.
At least I don’t really believe most people want to respond to a terrible situation by doing that.
We are able to communicate without rioting.

It's not about civil unrest it's about not wanting to bring up children in a world that has become desensitized to this stuff.
A beheading in the streets !! You wouldn't find that happening when my grandparents were growing up

People are sick of it now, every other week there's a stabbing being reported

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 09:47

MusicMakesItAllBetter · Yesterday 09:42

I disnt think of that.
But you do get them dont you, people who just record crimes especially violent attacks.

I do agree that we have an issue with people recording everything.

However, after viewing the video I wouldn’t have put myself in the way of what was clearly a deranged savage and a horrific scene. I freely admit I wouldn’t be brave enough to risk my life and to leave my family behind as most probably wouldn’t either. It also protects the men who stepped in and fought the attacker off from any claims they acted inappropriately.

So in some ways, at least the victim has evidentiary support for the courts to put this horrific demon away.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 09:47

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 09:39

Have you ever thought that the BBC aren’t sharing all the gory details of the victim’s injuries out of respect for the victim’s family?

I know that the people who share videos of horrific attacks (and accidents) give zero thought to the families involved, but they ought to. Instead, they exploit other people’s tragedies for attention.

It's not the 'gory details' that the BBC omit. Their news output is tailored to fit their agenda. They moved on very quickly from Henry Nowak, hoping that everyone will forget about him as quickly as they have.

MeanwhileinGilead · Yesterday 09:47

FWIW, I'm in the USA and this has made news here. It isn't described as "just" a stabbing but more like a possible attempted beheading. It's an evolving story, though - you can speculate freely as a private citizen hindered only by your own sense of decency if you have one, but it would be wrong and disruptive for any media outlet to jump to conclusions or assumption while local authorities are still investigating.

GiantFloatyFlingo · Yesterday 09:48

Attempted beheading - sawing at the victim’s neck and stabbing his eyes while the perpetrator yelled Alan Snackbar.

WhaleEye · Yesterday 09:48

Why is it being reported as a stabbing rather than an attempted beheading?

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 09:48

HalzTangz · Yesterday 09:46

Why should it though? What makes this stabbing more newsworthy than the multiple stabbings taking place on a daily basis

Because this was an attempted beheading (clear in video) and the poor victim was bleeding from the eyes suggesting (key word suggesting) that the attacker had also done something to his eyes.

This wasn’t a typical knife attack.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 09:49

HalzTangz · Yesterday 09:46

Why should it though? What makes this stabbing more newsworthy than the multiple stabbings taking place on a daily basis

The horrific nature of it. Eyes gouged, attempted head decapitation. It’s not a stabbing.

MyCloak · Yesterday 09:50

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Are you one of those Brits who are apparently unaware of the existence of loyalist paramilitaries?

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 09:50

I'm amazed that onlookers stepped in to stop this incredibly violent attack. Those people are heroes.

StandingDeskDisco · Yesterday 09:50

MusicMakesItAllBetter · Yesterday 09:44

Global civil unrest is what they want

Yes but why - what is the strategy and goal?

trendysetter · Yesterday 09:51

This probably gives a proper idea of what happened without being horribly graphic as I imagine the video is.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/hes-trying-to-cut-his-head-off-attacker-saws-at-victims-neck-in-sickening-belfast-knife-attack/news-story/fa948b6592b06ae2e881b8b1b9b75251

tamade · Yesterday 09:52

I just put Belfast stabbing into a search and it was not until the 7th result that beheading was mentioned in the link headline (LBC). The next mention is on p4. Some sites do indeed use the words brutal and horrific but nearly all stabbings are brutal and horrific it is not really any indication of what happened.

Make of that what you will, censoring distressing information? Or minimising the brutality?

StandingDeskDisco · Yesterday 09:53

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:45

Power. Influence. Money.

I'm not following the logic. How does civil unrest in the UK give Musk more power, influence or money?

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 09:53

Dwrcegin · Yesterday 09:29

I've just seen the bystanders video if it. Poor bloke, what a horrific way to die.

He isn't dead, thankfully.

AlternateLook · Yesterday 09:53

BelleEpoque27 · Yesterday 09:06

Unfortunately stabbings are not that uncommon. Thank goodness very few people have guns in this country.

If there's something more to it then tell us - no-one uses Twitter since Musk took it over to spread propaganda.

I think attempted beheadings are still relatively uncommon in the UK. Cheers for minimising such a horrific act. I'm sure the victim's family will take a lot of comfort from that.

EarthlyNightshade · Yesterday 09:54

Rupert Lowe is all over it - making good use of the money Musk pays him.

What a horrific thing to happen, that poor man.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 09:55

People have every right to be upset over violence, all violence. But mobs trashing neighbourhoods doesn't help. It just ends up costing hundreds of thousands of pounds. What is the point of that? Epping alone has cost over one and a half million quid.

And I get bloody tired of the likes of Musk whipping up yet more division in the UK because it gets his rocks off.

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:55

Teaandtarot · Yesterday 09:46

It's not about civil unrest it's about not wanting to bring up children in a world that has become desensitized to this stuff.
A beheading in the streets !! You wouldn't find that happening when my grandparents were growing up

People are sick of it now, every other week there's a stabbing being reported

I do not get your post at all.
Do you advocate children watching this ? You don’t want to bring up children desensitised to ‘this stuff’.
Do you want civil unrest - although you say ‘it isn’t about it’ what isn’t ?

I don’t understand where you are coming from at all.
You seem to be saying that children should be able to watch it.
If so that is barbaric. And horrifying.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 09:56

tamade · Yesterday 09:52

I just put Belfast stabbing into a search and it was not until the 7th result that beheading was mentioned in the link headline (LBC). The next mention is on p4. Some sites do indeed use the words brutal and horrific but nearly all stabbings are brutal and horrific it is not really any indication of what happened.

Make of that what you will, censoring distressing information? Or minimising the brutality?

Probably waiting for official police statements rather than videos on social media.

Wishing14 · Yesterday 09:57

The argument that the ‘right wing’ are trying to make it political is ridiculous. If it’s an immigrant it IS political. Like it or not. And deflecting and minimising (as so many on here are doing) is nothing short of pathetic. I know what side is right and wrong in this case, and the ‘kindness’ people are trying to show is very misguided. Our freedom costs us, people need to realise that. You let anyone in to our country, no matter their culture, religion and moral code? You are no longer free.

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