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ForeverPombear · Yesterday 09:57

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:55

I do not get your post at all.
Do you advocate children watching this ? You don’t want to bring up children desensitised to ‘this stuff’.
Do you want civil unrest - although you say ‘it isn’t about it’ what isn’t ?

I don’t understand where you are coming from at all.
You seem to be saying that children should be able to watch it.
If so that is barbaric. And horrifying.

That's not the impression I got from the PP. What I understood her to mean was that she doesn't want to bring children up in a world where it's just 'another stabbing' and where it seems normal for these things to happen and we turn a blind eye.

QforCucumber · Yesterday 09:58

@MusicMakesItAllBetter it was a woman filming, I wouldn't have stepped in either but honestly - if the BBC and Sky News report a stabbing then they report a stabbing, no-one seems to care much about that anymore, however - if someone then said no I saw, it was someone being beheaded in the street would you have believed it - without the video evidence? or would you be saying 'no, the BBC said it was 'just' a stabbing, i don't believe you, you're pushing a narrative there you're exaggerating?'

I disagree with many of Musks thoughts and policies, but actually, him buying twitter and removing the censorship (previous owner allowed the pushing of trans ideology to children don't forget, and censoring anyone who was against it) is actually something I am on board with, it has taken away the news outlets bias (which does exist, no matter how many claim it doesn't) and encouraged discussion. What people do need to work on is their ability to think critically about the individual accounts which share some of the posts, rather than trying to loudly shout 'i hate Musk so I hate everything he does'

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 09:58

EarthlyNightshade · Yesterday 09:54

Rupert Lowe is all over it - making good use of the money Musk pays him.

What a horrific thing to happen, that poor man.

More upset with people you don’t like talking about it rather than the actual crime. This isn’t some purity test, a young lad was brutally mutilated in the street.

If the ‘wrong’ people talking about it make your ‘right’ people finally speak about it then so be it.

Teaandtarot · Yesterday 09:59

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:55

I do not get your post at all.
Do you advocate children watching this ? You don’t want to bring up children desensitised to ‘this stuff’.
Do you want civil unrest - although you say ‘it isn’t about it’ what isn’t ?

I don’t understand where you are coming from at all.
You seem to be saying that children should be able to watch it.
If so that is barbaric. And horrifying.

That's literally not what I'm saying at all

You are saying there shouldn't be civil unrest or rioting etc . You think there are better ways to communicate.

People are getting fed up because children are being brought up in a world full of stabbings every other day and different attacks. This is becoming the new norm

I never mentioned getting a child to watch it?

Dollymylove · Yesterday 10:00

MusicMakesItAllBetter · Yesterday 09:42

I disnt think of that.
But you do get them dont you, people who just record crimes especially violent attacks.

Yes thats true. Although the flip side is that they may capture vital evidence to assist the police in apprehending perpetrators

ForeverPombear · Yesterday 10:00

QforCucumber · Yesterday 09:58

@MusicMakesItAllBetter it was a woman filming, I wouldn't have stepped in either but honestly - if the BBC and Sky News report a stabbing then they report a stabbing, no-one seems to care much about that anymore, however - if someone then said no I saw, it was someone being beheaded in the street would you have believed it - without the video evidence? or would you be saying 'no, the BBC said it was 'just' a stabbing, i don't believe you, you're pushing a narrative there you're exaggerating?'

I disagree with many of Musks thoughts and policies, but actually, him buying twitter and removing the censorship (previous owner allowed the pushing of trans ideology to children don't forget, and censoring anyone who was against it) is actually something I am on board with, it has taken away the news outlets bias (which does exist, no matter how many claim it doesn't) and encouraged discussion. What people do need to work on is their ability to think critically about the individual accounts which share some of the posts, rather than trying to loudly shout 'i hate Musk so I hate everything he does'

I agree with everything you say apart from my only concern with not censoring somethings is where it comes to court cases and the right to a fair trial. Imagine if it were shared around the country all over social media and his lawyers managed to argue that he didn't get a fair trial because of that. I'm not sure what the answer is though because if that video wasn't out it would just be seen as a stabbing rather than beheading.

LittleGreenShoots · Yesterday 10:00

aberamagold · Yesterday 09:31

There are facts that are evident in the video, which all the mainstream news sites will have access to, that they are choosing not to report.
You need to open your eyes.

In this world news media sites have to be extra careful with video. I have seen many faked AI videos and videos filmed in other countries manipulated to make it look like they were here, or new when they are years old.

Twitter and gutter news websites care little for the integrity of their postings.

The video may well be genuine - I haven't seen it- but we all need to approach video now with skepticism and with a questioning nature too.The days when video was absolute proof are gone- AI can be very very good. People have been known to take real stories and fake videos of the event for clicks. Particularly on anything touching on immigration fear.

SeriousFaffing · Yesterday 10:01

TheSmallAssassin · Yesterday 08:54

I guess because they want to just report the facts as they are known so far, whilst Elon Musk wants to whip up unrest? Open your eyes, OP.

@TheSmallAssassin

👏 Exactly.

How about asking what is behind Elon Musk’s curtain and why him and others want to cause civil unrest.

Farage privately sips on glasses of expensive red wine (never pints) while laughing at you and the rest of us.

Davros · Yesterday 10:01

It’s the lead story on Radio 4 news right now

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:01

MyCloak · Yesterday 09:50

Are you one of those Brits who are apparently unaware of the existence of loyalist paramilitaries?

No I am not but it is mainly the IRA supporters on social media who are happy kids were killed.

5MinuteArgument · Yesterday 10:01

StandingDeskDisco · Yesterday 09:53

I'm not following the logic. How does civil unrest in the UK give Musk more power, influence or money?

I think Musk is a white nationalist whose main motivation is for white people to assert themselves (as he sees it). His formative years were spent in South Africa so his view of the world was shaped by Apartheid.

Also controversy gains attention, more eyeballs, more revenue.

Wishing14 · Yesterday 10:02

This is why people video and share though, as much as I hate it. It’s the ONLY way the media seem to be held to account to saying what really happened.

Thisisnotmyid · Yesterday 10:03

Just seen the video, it’s horrific and terrifying. The poor guy is in hospital with severe head and neck injuries.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:03

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 09:58

More upset with people you don’t like talking about it rather than the actual crime. This isn’t some purity test, a young lad was brutally mutilated in the street.

If the ‘wrong’ people talking about it make your ‘right’ people finally speak about it then so be it.

Yes many focusing on this over the actual horrific crime.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:04

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 09:53

He isn't dead, thankfully.

If his eyes are gouged out what life is he going to have?

RingoJuice · Yesterday 10:04

SeriousFaffing · Yesterday 10:01

@TheSmallAssassin

👏 Exactly.

How about asking what is behind Elon Musk’s curtain and why him and others want to cause civil unrest.

Farage privately sips on glasses of expensive red wine (never pints) while laughing at you and the rest of us.

Just keep on believing in the benefits of diversity! Sure it will happen for you someday!

(meanwhile I will teach my children that whatever slight someone from a different cultural background gives you, it’s not worth your life and you must ignore and retreat. Worry about your personal safety over any accusations of ‘racism’)

HelenaWaiting · Yesterday 10:05

Polisheiah · Yesterday 09:26

😂😂😂😂

They're not reporting it because, yet again, the attacker was likely an immigrant and it was clearly a racially and religious motivated attack on a white Irish citizen.

When are people going to wake the hell up?!!

Edited

They're not reporting it because it's likely to be sub judice, dumbarse. Everyone screaming "we want all the facts" and then screaming when trials collapse/sentences are too lenient. Does it ever occur that those things might be connected?

SeriousFaffing · Yesterday 10:06

Wishing14 · Yesterday 10:02

This is why people video and share though, as much as I hate it. It’s the ONLY way the media seem to be held to account to saying what really happened.

@Wishing14

Why exactly do you think that the media would lie?

The facts are not clear to report yet. In a world where AI is now so prevalent and easy utilised, the media needs to hold itself to a higher standard than mouthpieces with alternative agendas. We also need to consider that there needs to be an investigation which could be jeopardised.

Wishing14 · Yesterday 10:07

@SeriousFaffingyes all those things can be considered. My statement is still true and is a broad statement, not just about this case.

Hoppinggreen · Yesterday 10:07

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 08:56

There will be demonstrations, and the mainstream media will of course characterize them as ‘far right’, rather than desperately angry and worried ordinary citizens.

I would characterise the majority of them as mentally ill/bored/racist/violent thugs who don't care about the victim or family

SeriousFaffing · Yesterday 10:08

RingoJuice · Yesterday 10:04

Just keep on believing in the benefits of diversity! Sure it will happen for you someday!

(meanwhile I will teach my children that whatever slight someone from a different cultural background gives you, it’s not worth your life and you must ignore and retreat. Worry about your personal safety over any accusations of ‘racism’)

@RingoJuice Thankfully my children don’t live in your alternate reality. We live in a culturally diverse location and treat all people normally.

Hoppinggreen · Yesterday 10:09

RingoJuice · Yesterday 10:04

Just keep on believing in the benefits of diversity! Sure it will happen for you someday!

(meanwhile I will teach my children that whatever slight someone from a different cultural background gives you, it’s not worth your life and you must ignore and retreat. Worry about your personal safety over any accusations of ‘racism’)

I don't actually worry about being accused of racism for one very good reason
I'm not

MusicMakesItAllBetter · Yesterday 10:10

QforCucumber · Yesterday 09:58

@MusicMakesItAllBetter it was a woman filming, I wouldn't have stepped in either but honestly - if the BBC and Sky News report a stabbing then they report a stabbing, no-one seems to care much about that anymore, however - if someone then said no I saw, it was someone being beheaded in the street would you have believed it - without the video evidence? or would you be saying 'no, the BBC said it was 'just' a stabbing, i don't believe you, you're pushing a narrative there you're exaggerating?'

I disagree with many of Musks thoughts and policies, but actually, him buying twitter and removing the censorship (previous owner allowed the pushing of trans ideology to children don't forget, and censoring anyone who was against it) is actually something I am on board with, it has taken away the news outlets bias (which does exist, no matter how many claim it doesn't) and encouraged discussion. What people do need to work on is their ability to think critically about the individual accounts which share some of the posts, rather than trying to loudly shout 'i hate Musk so I hate everything he does'

Tbh I avoid the beeb like the plague.
Full of sexual predators

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 10:10

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:04

If his eyes are gouged out what life is he going to have?

I didn't know that he has had his eyes gouged out? I haven't watched the footage. How absolutely horrifying.

I remember a case a few years back where a woman had her eyes gouged out by her ex-partner. She has rebuilt her life. People can be extremely resilient, even when
terrible horror has been visited upon them.

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