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Walkyrie · Yesterday 17:16

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:15

Hardly, if he was accepted - he’s a refugee. Then we’d best deport all refugees then and any offspring - sorry Pritti Patel 😬

Were her family refugees?

AlternateLook · Yesterday 17:16

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Yesterday 17:01

Exactly. Each time I read a woefully naive comment and I think it can’t be topped…

To be fair, that's probably the world view according to a Guardian reader.

labtest57 · Yesterday 17:16

BadAssAutumnCrow · Yesterday 09:03

You haven’t even spelled ‘Belfast’ correctly or asked MNHQ to correct it as of now.

And? We all know where she means ffs!!

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 17:16

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:12

I know checks exist and are done - pp said they’re ket in without any checks - that is simply untrue - there are checks on all visa applicants and claimants - it’s not foolproof - it can’t be in any arena can it?

What checks, exactly, do you KNOW are done?

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:17

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 17:14

Well either people aren’t doing their jobs right in making these checks thoroughly enough, or the system “checking” system is flawed and is unable to check the backgrounds of a lot of these migrants for past crimes committed elsewhere. Which one is it?

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Well that may need to be reviewed - that is for sure. In fact I’d guess that case is being gone through with a fine tooth comb - as police actions last week. Lessons can be learned without burning and/or deporting all non 15th generational Brits you know.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 17:17

placemats · Yesterday 17:15

It was granted in 2023. So it was either under Suella Braverman or James Cleverly's watch.

Baverman had a lot to say about the home office failures.

Noodledog · Yesterday 17:18

Well, whatever checks there were missed the fact that he was violent maniac, so I think we can agree they are effectively worthless.

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:18

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 17:16

What checks, exactly, do you KNOW are done?

We can all know here - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/asylum-screening-and-routing/asylum-screening-and-routing-accessible

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 17:19

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:17

Well that may need to be reviewed - that is for sure. In fact I’d guess that case is being gone through with a fine tooth comb - as police actions last week. Lessons can be learned without burning and/or deporting all non 15th generational Brits you know.

In the meantime…. Many innocent people should die then? Why are you so hell bent on defending these “checks” as if these people are being thoroughly checked when you have clearly just admitted there’s a flaw in the system??

Oh and we are sick of the “lessons can be learned” bullshit!

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:19

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:05

The criminal checks will access what they can - not helped by reducing intel sharing across the EU through Brexit. All possible checks are done on identity, history and reasons for travel - all visas/claims.

Asylum claimants are (or used to be, so I imagine he was) interviewed to assess the veracity of the claim and his own identity.

I can’t say what records Sudan keeps and/or shares, as it is a horrific warzone - but it is possible he did or did not commit crimes that we can’t 100% verify - I think it more likely this was the first of this type - but maybe I’m wrong - however, we can’t assume that everyone is just waiting to do this and has a long history we didn’t notice of doing it.

I am sure the whole application process will be rigorously checked for this case - then we may know more.

We do know it was a horrific attack, we know he’s in custody and we know will be dealt with through our legal system. I’m sure the HO will review the application and maybe there’s lessons, maybe not - we cannot know yet.

That’s enough surely - following the law and investigation into it all. We don’t need to rampage across the U.K. or decide all Sudanese (though it was Somalis earlier) should be evicted from the U.K.

This person came via Ireland still in the EU, a database did not help. There is no way to know if he committed horrendous crimes in Sudan before arriving.

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 17:19

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This is possibly the most disgusting response possible on this thread

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 17:20

The failures to manage immigration is embedded in the civil service. There have been many who have made it plain they seek to frustrate government policies being implemented. There was a threat recently that a load would resign if reform got into government. Another, who was responsible for the Rwanda policy, stood at the local elections as a Green on an open border ticket. The civil service needs a huge clear out.

CarbonArtist · Yesterday 17:21

Savvysix1984 · Yesterday 09:25

The victim was a man in his 40’s. Not that it matters though. It is being investigated by detectives but not currently believed to be terror related.

So it was just a regular beheading then? That’s good, I’m glad it’s not terrorism.

Noodledog · Yesterday 17:21

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:17

Well that may need to be reviewed - that is for sure. In fact I’d guess that case is being gone through with a fine tooth comb - as police actions last week. Lessons can be learned without burning and/or deporting all non 15th generational Brits you know.

Are you capable of arguing without using ridiculous hyperbole? No-one is suggesting deporting all ethnic minorities from immigrant backgrounds- as you know full well.

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:21

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 17:19

In the meantime…. Many innocent people should die then? Why are you so hell bent on defending these “checks” as if these people are being thoroughly checked when you have clearly just admitted there’s a flaw in the system??

Oh and we are sick of the “lessons can be learned” bullshit!

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I’m hellbent on facts - I’m hellbent on not blaming an entire nation for one man’s actions.

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 17:22

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:21

I’m hellbent on facts - I’m hellbent on not blaming an entire nation for one man’s actions.

Get your facts right then! Checks indeed! 😂

EasternStandard · Yesterday 17:22

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:21

I’m hellbent on facts - I’m hellbent on not blaming an entire nation for one man’s actions.

Not so hellbent on understanding what the issues are the lead to a horrific crime.

ForSnappySwan · Yesterday 17:24

Is it possible to have a thread on Mumsnet in which every single poster isn't accused of racism at some point in it?

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 17:24

Then there are the scores of dodgy Vape shops that have been allowed to sponsor skilled worker visas….

Noodledog · Yesterday 17:24

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:21

I’m hellbent on facts - I’m hellbent on not blaming an entire nation for one man’s actions.

You're hellbent on grasping any straw that will support your chosen narrative of "nothing to see here, let's all move on."

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:24

Noodledog · Yesterday 17:21

Are you capable of arguing without using ridiculous hyperbole? No-one is suggesting deporting all ethnic minorities from immigrant backgrounds- as you know full well.

I actually don’t know that tbh - there is a huge disparity of views on migration - you know that too. I’ve seen on here we want the nebulous ‘British values’ but no definition- I’ve definitely seen white supremacy and shouts for re migration of all in action too. I accept you are focussed on small boats, if that’s what you say, but you should accept this is not the only view on immigration.

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 17:24

chaos76 · Yesterday 16:52

well keep safe tonight everyone, I'm off to cancel my plans as the roads are closed

I am sorry you and others on the thread are going through this.💐

141mum · Yesterday 17:25

It appeared on TikTok, not blocked out, dear God, that was horrific, Lee Rigby all over again. He was trying to cut his head off, not just a stabbing

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 17:25

There are no checks on most coming over on boats - they destroy their documentation so there is no way to check.

MsJinks · Yesterday 17:26

Noodledog · Yesterday 17:24

You're hellbent on grasping any straw that will support your chosen narrative of "nothing to see here, let's all move on."

Untrue - the attacker is in custody and will be processed - the HO will check the case - due process is and should be followed.

I have never said ‘nothing to see’ - I said we can’t brand a nation due to this - and that we should not be rioting.

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