Belgast last night - horrific attack - why is this not being reported on BBC/Sky etc?

[MelanzaneParmigiana]

Absolutely shocking details of the injuries inflicted - the BBC minimise it.
https://x.com/paultreyvaud/status/2064244770742956256?s=46

The criminal checks will access what they can - not helped by reducing intel sharing across the EU through Brexit. All possible checks are done on identity, history and reasons for travel - all visas/claims.

Asylum claimants are (or used to be, so I imagine he was) interviewed to assess the veracity of the claim and his own identity.

I can’t say what records Sudan keeps and/or shares, as it is a horrific warzone - but it is possible he did or did not commit crimes that we can’t 100% verify - I think it more likely this was the first of this type - but maybe I’m wrong - however, we can’t assume that everyone is just waiting to do this and has a long history we didn’t notice of doing it.

I am sure the whole application process will be rigorously checked for this case - then we may know more.

We do know it was a horrific attack, we know he’s in custody and we know will be dealt with through our legal system. I’m sure the HO will review the application and maybe there’s lessons, maybe not - we cannot know yet.

That’s enough surely - following the law and investigation into it all. We don’t need to rampage across the U.K. or decide all Sudanese (though it was Somalis earlier) should be evicted from the U.K.

To add to this: I can't say my role exactly but I work in the judiciary and often have reason to look at the PNC and criminal records of people who are being convicted of criminal offences. Many of those people are foreign nationals who are here under all sorts of circumstances - from full visas to asylum status to no status.

Our PNC only shows records of previous convictions in the UK and NI. We can't see anything from other countries. It's often the case that you'll have someone with, for example, a string of drug and driving offences that date from the time they started living in the UK, but nothing at all before that. And you just know that they didn't suddenly start offending when they arrived here and that it must be a pattern of behaviour that pre-dates them coming to this country. But we've no way of telling.

I can't say I have a huge amount of faith that the Home Office system for convictions checks is more sophisticated than the one HMCTS uses!

Sorry, but tensions and emotions are high just now. Anybody would think we'd maybe seen something like an innocent man being stabbed and nearly beheaded on the streets of a UK city or something...

Ah, I forgot - there’s never been a murder by an English person either. No xenophobia or ignorance whatsoever!

Prosecuting offenders is not going to prevent this type of crime, which are either a result of severe mental illness or terrorism.
The only thing that will prevent it is to stop granting asylum to large numbers of men entering illegally from violent islamic countries, and deporting the ones who are already here.

How reassuring.

@MsJinks
I can’t say what records Sudan keeps and/or shares, as it is a horrific warzone - but it is possible he did or did not commit crimes that we can’t 100% verify

I thought you said ‘Of course there were fucking checks - how many times - every application processed is subject to all sorts of checks - including criminal’.
So you don’t know if these ‘fucking checks’ exist.

The UK BLM protests by the way though mostly peaceful did include some violence. Police officers got hurt. But they still remained in the protest space (as opposed to the 2011 and recent riots where people didn't even bother bringing banners). I don't think political figures were justifying the violence even if they were supporting the movement.
But also, the people bringing up BLM as a gotcha should remember that some of the original organisers of the movement in America made a load of money out of it and basically used people's justified anger to enrich themselves. Even when anger is justified, unthinking anger generally allows the unscrupulous to make money out of you. Hence Elon Musk, SYL and Farages interest in generating rage.

Oh that stupid argument again. That’s another one that’s been done to death!
Yeah, well, I mean that’s alright then, let’s make an excuse to let many more from other countries into the UK commit even more murders then…. Because we have murderers here anyways!

Do people really not get why citizens of a country get really fucking angry when men, from places you wouldn’t go near, from cultures with attitudes incompatible with ours especially towards women and gay people, seek asylum/whatever and then have the Gaul to then commit acts of crime in said country that’s been kind enough to let them live there?

Do they not understand that we already have doses of our ‘own’ men being cunts on the daily that we can’t do anything about or punt them
elsewhere, hence why they don’t cause as much outrage (according to many, I’m outraged any time I hear of VAWG).

Why do you think Wayne Couzins caused so much outrage. Because he was a police officer. He abused his position. These people are abusing theirs and should be sent right back and they aren’t.

Confirmed as an asylum seeker now.

What a ridiculous comment. As someone born and raised in ireland, I can safely say that isis style eye gouging and attempted decapitations in the streets is an entirely new phenomenon. Also, despite undoubtedly very homophobic attitudes in the past, gay men were never targeted and beheaded before until fairly recently. I wonder why these kinds of crimes suddenly started happening. Baffling 🤔

Well exactly.

Exactly this, it’s because there’s a factor seen as aggravating - a serving police officer, somebody let out on bail, somebody who was let into our country who did not have to be here but we made an active decision to allow it.

The Home Office has confirmed he has leave to remain.

The home office is corrupt. Though it make very little difference to them staying here if not granted leave to remain. They just get told they don’t have permission to stay and then they disappear from records.

I know checks exist and are done - pp said they’re ket in without any checks - that is simply untrue - there are checks on all visa applicants and claimants - it’s not foolproof - it can’t be in any arena can it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8emkley3o

If Brexit is the biggest issue for criminal record sharing, how are so many able to enter multiple European countries and nothing be flagged against them to stop them continuing their journey?

How does one check whether a man has beaten his wife and sexually assaulted other women with the Taliban in charge? Do you think they prosecute these crimes and keep diligent criminal records?

Saying it's not foolproof is understating it.

Closer to the truth is that it's nowhere near robust enough.

Well either people aren’t doing their jobs right in making these checks thoroughly enough, or the system “checking” system is flawed and is unable to check the backgrounds of a lot of these migrants for past crimes committed elsewhere. Which one is it?

It should be a requirement for your parents to have been born here are British Citizens before you can work for the Home Office.

It was granted in 2023. So it was either under Suella Braverman or James Cleverly's watch.

Hardly, if he was accepted - he’s a refugee. Then we’d best deport all refugees then and any offspring - sorry Pritti Patel 😬