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MyMonthlyNameChange · Yesterday 16:52

I think characterising people's very real concerns as racism is high-handed and dismissive.

My sense is that those concerns are much more to do with how unsafe our asylum process is and how it leaves our borders wide open for bad actors to come here unchecked and perpetrate terrible crimes. Which is a legitimate worry.

For example, the mother of Rhiannon Whyte posted an open letter to government on X today asking why her daughter's killer was refused asylum in Germany and France but given asylum here. That is shocking and seems so dangerous. It should be much harder to come and reside in this country. Not because we don't want 'forriners', but as a matter of security and public safety there should be much closer vetting of who is coming into this country with a view to remaining here.

My own sibling's in-laws are Pakistani and came here 40-odd years ago. Neither of them speak very good English even after all this time because they settled in a predominantly Pakistani community and my sibling's FIL worked for a Pakistani-run business all his life. Maybe some would criticise them for not fully integrating, but they made their livelihoods, bought property and built their family here. Their children all now have good jobs as teachers, social workers and accountants. They adopted British culture to the point where they didn't bat an eyelid when one of their children announced they were marrying my white sibling. They have been nothing but a wonderful addition to my extended family.

My neighbours are Indian. They both work for investment banks. There are families at my childrens' school from Eastern Europe and Mauritius. The Eastern European family, the mum is a doctor. The dad from Mauritius is a chartered accountant.

Only someone who was truly racist and nationalistic would have any sort of problem with immigrants coming here to live legally and integrate into our country and bring very valuable skills with them that we can all benefit from.

But this is not that.

It is not racist to observe that it is an objective fact that most people entering this country illegally are men from third world countries with cultural values that are at complete odds with those in the UK - especially regarding women's rights and also freedom of expression.

Unless and until the asylum process is properly managed and asylum seekers are properly assessed for mental health issues and criminal backgrounds, there is going to be an elevated risk to the public that these sorts of despicable crimes will happen more often.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:52

MsJinks · Yesterday 16:50

Of course there were fucking checks - how many times - every application processed is subject to all sorts of checks - including criminal.

If he’s never tried to behead anyone then it won’t have flagged this is a thing he may do weirdly.

Go on then tell me about these ‘fucking checks’

What systems are accessed in Sudan and what records do they hold?

chaos76 · Yesterday 16:52

well keep safe tonight everyone, I'm off to cancel my plans as the roads are closed

MsJinks · Yesterday 16:52

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:50

Still on this? Labour are in power now. What changes will Starmer make or is it more empty platitudes ‘appalling’

Starmer has reduced the backlog and less asylum claims are accepted - he also works on reducing the small boats. He has stopped family reunion visas, stopped dependents for carers, increasing amount of time needed here for ILR and reduced net migration considerably.

I don’t personally agree with Labour’s immigration policy and rhetoric - but thought it would absolutely suit those against immigration- what else do you want?

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 16:52

MsJinks · Yesterday 16:48

Nothing has changed - you still need to be on British soil to claim asylum here.

The backlog - well maybe folk should ask the Tories why they allowed it to build - handy distraction from their shitshow? Cash for mates with rundown hotels to rent to the HO?

Why does everyone make out that those of us who criticise the immigration system are Tory die hards?

The Boris wave was the Tories. The Afghan secret resettlement which included rapists and criminals was Jenrick. The hotels was the Tories. This is why the Tories got obliterated in the last election.

Labour didn’t have a landslide, they won due to the Tory vote collapsing. This is why you’re seeing a rise in Reform now. Although I find it ironic that Reform top brass are the very same Tories from the Boris cabinet who allowed this uncontrollable immigration in the first place.

38thparallel · Yesterday 16:53

Of course there were fucking checks - how many times - every application processed is subject to all sorts of checks - including criminal.

Does the Home Office have access to accurate criminal records in Somalia?

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 16:53

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:38

I think they’re not serious

Oh thanks. Strange thing to not be serious when discussing

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:53

Like these checks @MsJinks?

2026 court case involving Karin Al-Danasurt, an Egyptian national who was convicted of rape in the UK. During his trial, it was revealed by prosecutors that he had fled his home country to evade a lengthy prison sentence following a murder conviction

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 16:53

chaos76 · Yesterday 16:52

well keep safe tonight everyone, I'm off to cancel my plans as the roads are closed

Stay safe.

Cappuccino5 · Yesterday 16:55

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Everybody needs to calm down and ignore an attempted beheading by a tax payer funded migrant on British streets? The victim had his eyeballs gouged out and trachea sliced for fuck’s sake. Your anti-racist rhetoric is part of the problem. The doors cannot remain open for unchecked, unskilled migrants. It’s not safe and it’s not financially feasible.

The troubles are over. Northern Ireland doesn’t need more violence.

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 16:55

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 16:53

Stay safe.

They'll be safe enough on their laptop 🙄

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 16:55

MsJinks · Yesterday 16:50

Of course there were fucking checks - how many times - every application processed is subject to all sorts of checks - including criminal.

If he’s never tried to behead anyone then it won’t have flagged this is a thing he may do weirdly.

How do you do criminal checks on someone with no passport/ proof of identity and who comes form a country which is described as…

“However, due to the severe ongoing armed conflict and the collapse of many state institutions, official procedures for obtaining police clearance certificates or accessing criminal records are severely disrupted, and normal operations in areas like Khartoum are suspended”

?

AmbeeBambee · Yesterday 16:55

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:00

‘Tedious’ posts about stabbings….
Because we should now just shrug and just accept our children being horrifically attacked.
Utterly despicable to casually condemn other peoples suffering.
This occurred last night / should have led the news everywhere in a civilised society.

The only person I know who has been stabbed was attacked by a white boy. The only person I know to have stabbed someone is white and the victim was white. Are you up in arms about all of the other stabbings or just one where the accused isn't white?

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · Yesterday 16:56

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 16:52

What evidence is it that you think you’ve provided? You’ve clearly said you think one ‘African migrant’ speaks for all. So you think Elon Musk and this killer are the same, by your own logic? You’ve defended paramilitaries in NI while saying we should ban people from other paramilitary controlled countries. Utter inanity, call on whatever supporters you want.

That’s an interesting and misleading analysis.

On brand though.

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 16:56

Twiglets1 · Yesterday 16:55

They'll be safe enough on their laptop 🙄

Do you mean you don’t believe they are living in Belfast?

AlternateLook · Yesterday 16:56

MsJinks · Yesterday 16:50

Of course there were fucking checks - how many times - every application processed is subject to all sorts of checks - including criminal.

If he’s never tried to behead anyone then it won’t have flagged this is a thing he may do weirdly.

Aye, of course, third world cesspits like Sudan and Somalia are going to hold professionally kept, accurate records that are up to our standards, sure. Even if they did, d'you think they're going to fully cooperate if it means they might not get some radicalised, murderous oddball out of their country for free? Tell me you're not that naive, for fuck's sake...

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 16:57

AmbeeBambee · Yesterday 16:55

The only person I know who has been stabbed was attacked by a white boy. The only person I know to have stabbed someone is white and the victim was white. Are you up in arms about all of the other stabbings or just one where the accused isn't white?

Yeah yeah. Here we go again. Everyone be quiet. Nothing to see here.

newfriend05 · Yesterday 16:58

TheSmallAssassin · Yesterday 08:54

I guess because they want to just report the facts as they are known so far, whilst Elon Musk wants to whip up unrest? Open your eyes, OP.

You name says everything, and it’s the people stabbing causing the unrest not Elon Musk

AlternateLook · Yesterday 16:58

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Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 16:59

Allisnotlost1 · Yesterday 16:42

You’re telling someone who lives in Belfast how to respond to an attack in Belfast and how to feel about the response of others in Belfast? Isn’t this exactly your problem with immigrants, people from outside dictating how the natives should feel?

Please tell me where I said that? The poster was literally calling those going to the protest “racist” as an excuse to throw the word around, whilst saying the protest is an excuse to be racist! I simply pointed out the irony of what she was saying - that she was claiming people were using the protest as an excuse to be racist but she didn’t see the irony of herself using the word as an excuse to shut down people who are angry! Keep up.

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 17:00

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 16:32

Am I? News to me.

Haha yes you are. It was only the other day where you were gaslighting people on another thread by claiming there was no violence at the BLM protests lol

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Yesterday 17:01

AlternateLook · Yesterday 16:56

Aye, of course, third world cesspits like Sudan and Somalia are going to hold professionally kept, accurate records that are up to our standards, sure. Even if they did, d'you think they're going to fully cooperate if it means they might not get some radicalised, murderous oddball out of their country for free? Tell me you're not that naive, for fuck's sake...

Exactly. Each time I read a woefully naive comment and I think it can’t be topped…

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 17:01

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 17:00

Haha yes you are. It was only the other day where you were gaslighting people on another thread by claiming there was no violence at the BLM protests lol

It’s restorative justice when it suits a certain agenda.

Its far right thuggery or dog whistling when it’s other issues.

soddingspiderseason · Yesterday 17:01

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Completely unacceptable response. Be civil. People are allowed to disagree with you.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 17:02

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 16:49

I was responding to a pp who said that demonstrations only occur/ protests were only ever about white people.
I agree that violent protest or rioting is never acceptable no matter how justified the cause.
The people who suffer in riots are never the wrong doers.

Yes, but I think (could be wrong) that the riots in 2011 were condemned across the board by politicians and most mainstream people (not a random internet user with a chip on their shoulder). Even if there was also analysis of the underlying factors media figures weren't supporting the riots. BLM and the Palestine protests were/are whatever you think of them protests so they are different.
Whilst now you have politicians and people like Musk quite openly pouring oil on the fire and when challenged respond with "don't people have a right to be angry". Anyone trying to disagree with narrative is accused of not caring about the murder/crime/women's safety. It's new for politicians/people with massive influence to do that (as opposed to just random people on line). And it is very much only when the victims are the right sort. And that's especially galling when the same people calling for outrage are also openly supporting white men accused of rape and violence.

I am talking about this country not America by the way which is it's own crazy kettle of fish.

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