Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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Not on the murderer though?? Is that standard practice? There was nothing standard about their treatment of Henry. Incompetent and heartless.

You can carry a Swiss knife with scissors, a nail file, a small blade and a tool for removing stones from horses hooves. Why can't Sikhs compromise and carry one with a 3-inch blade?

Many do.

Anything above 2.5 inches will be an offensive weapon. That there is some religious legitimate excuse to carry something larger than this is ridiculous and should end.

Well it ensured an innocent boys last moments on earth were beyond torturous. And utterly degrading.
Does that not mean something?

They may not of got away with murder but they did get cause unmeasured additional distress to a dying boy. They caused additional trauma to his family and friends

He was always going to be charged with murder once he commited the crime of stabbing Henry in the chest. He however, must have enjoyed seeing his victim not only not recieving care from the police but actually mocked and dragged across the ground before being cuffed and read his rights.

It is inexcusable - those last minutes of Henry's life were so important and the police completely failed him in every way.

Okay. Sounds an awful lot like you’re attributing the actions of one Sikh man (Henry Nowak’s killer) to a whole community (Sikh people and people who are not white). It’s very dramatic and not helpful!

Yes, I agree - it was a disgusting lie and one supported by his brother on arrival. The police absolutely failed in their duty of keeping an open mind and investigating.

Yes they do, it!’s allowed, as unbelievable as that sounds.

Are you kidding? That poor boy stabbed and the police put handcuffs on him, with the words
I don’t think so mate as some of the last words he heard? Talk about minimising.

There are restrictions on size and some airlines ask for them to be in checked luggage.
I haven't bothered to Google but I have never heard of a Sikh using a kirpan on a plane.
Even the Khalistani terrorists in India used regular weapons.

Yes, it means Digwa told a terrible lie and the police failed in their basic duty, and Henry Nowak died in dreadful circumstances. That’s awful and horrific for those he leaves behind, but it’s the nature of countless murders that the victim dies horribly. That’s why we have life sentences for murder and prior to that the death penalty. Murder is horrible.

This case is being seized upon as evidence of anti whiteness, when in fact it’s (yet more) evidence of how terrible people can be.

It's absolutely crazy. A young person I know has a skin issue and needs specialist prescription creams because of the issue with liquids limit in hand luggage - they have had problems taking these on holiday.
It's beyond bonkers that someone could be refused a bottle of prescription cream because it exceeded the liquid limit while someone else can get on the plane with a weapon with no issue

The police guidelines will likely change due to this case. Listening to ex police this morning those guidelines have impacted the provision and are often a factor.

I hope the police officers have been sacked?

It is absolutely anti white.
Do you think if the murderer falsely saying he had been verbally abused, had his hair pulled and complained of an non existent swelling on his eye had been white the police would have ignored the injured victim who had been stabbed. A victim unable to move, a victim who the police had been told was bleeding from the mouth and hads been stabbed by a bystander, a victim who told the police I have been stabbed several times.

It is so unbelievable that if this was a fictional show people would think it unrealistic but sadly this is exactly what happed.

Exactly.

I’m not minimising anything, that’s baseless. I have seen many cases where victims have died horrifically and perpetrators have lied or done dreadful things to cover up their crime. I’m sure you’ve also seen them in the news. This case is uniquely awful because the police also failed in their duty but every poor soul who died alone in the street died a cold and lonely death, can you really not remember any of them?

I can think of many cases where equally innocent men have been injured or unwell and the police didn’t believe them and they died. They are also horrific, and partly why we have anti-racism guidelines. They were intended to teach and train police to keep an open mind. They failed in this case. Some are grabbing onto the idea that they didn’t bother because HN is white. My experience tells me they didn’t bother because they were a bit shit at their job, and they’d have done the same regardless of skin colour, because his murderer would have told a different type of lie.

A murderer lying and misdirecting law enforcement is hardly surprising. Law enforcement failing to do basic checks on a prone young man who was bleeding from his face and complaining of injuries is unforgivable.

Yes, I think it’s perfectly possible that a lying perpetrator could convince crap police for a short time that they were the victim. It happens pretty often in DA cases, and in street fights. Self defence is the only defence to murder, so obviously some people try it, however improbable.

Agree in principle but it's not a wholesale removal of rights. It's one specific right. It makes policing much easier. There's no debate if apprehended with a knife about whether it's a tradition or not. Countries are allowed to pass laws that may not suit a very small portion of society but help to make the wider population safer.

So well said 👏🏻👏🏻

The sheer hypocrisy shown by the media, the government and the police force 100% proves there is a divide and difference with how people of different races are being treated in this country.

Any progress that was made has faltered and we are now regressing. We were not a racist country before we started becoming all woke and 'progressive'. The hard work was already being done before Floyd. Now we're on a downturn.

I agree with Kemi when she stated we can be a multiracial country without being Multicultural.

People have every right to be bloody livid.

I don’t think you have mate

without even checking
just turned away
he should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty at the very least.

oh and I’m an immigrant by descent though born here. I’m truly disgusted by the police. I’ve been a labour supporter all my life (I’m in my 60’s), and disgusted by what they have brought this country to.

Heaven help us if reform get in. Thank the Lord the election isn’t for a few years.

Well, he’s been given 21 years for carrying a weapon, murdering in cold blood, then perverting the course of justice. This is not a maximum sentence. He’s been let off lightly.

There’s no ‘maximum sentence’ for murder. I agree his sentence was lower than I’d have expected, because the judge took his carrying of the ceremonial knife as not taking a knife to the scene. Once used, I think he should have considered it taken to the scene, and the sentence should be more like 27/28 years.

I have changed my mind on this too. Initially I thought maybe 21 was ok, but now seeing that Digwa was an evil psychotic thug stockpiling weapons, he should get way more.