Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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I hope the PC words
i dont think you have mate
come back to haunt him

Seriously? I cannot believe you can be so flippant given the situation!

No Sikh "needs" To carry a blade. No Scot "needs" to carry a blade. Nobody "needs" to carry a blade. (And for the record no Christian "needs" to eat fish on Fridays either).

It's important symbolically for them, OK, but they won't drop dead (no bad taste joke intended) if they don't carry a blade. If there is anything like the "need" to carry something in public, it's pepper spray for women in dangerous areas. Once this is allowed, maybe we can talk about men's "need" to carry blades.

(And yes, Sikhs are as a rule a blessing for a community. That's absolutely not the question)

Plastic or wooden blades would be a good compromise. Or a one inch pendant. Adapting to the times.

It's the whole culture of having different laws and standards to accommodate different 'special' groups which needs to change.

Permitting some people to carry weapons which the rest of the population is restricted from carrying is very obviously morally - as well as practically - wrong.

And it leads to people - the police, the judiciary, but also every day citizens - believing that it's OK - even right - to treat people differently based on their race, religion or other 'in-group' characteristics.

There needs to be one law which applies to everyone in the UK. One set of guidelines for the judiciary to use when sentencing, with no special considerations. One bar for the police to apply to everyone - no fear or favour.

Badenoch said it well: we need to be a multi-racial country, not a multicultural country.

I learned about the ‘5 Ks’ of being a Sikh (including the kirpan) at school so I don’t think it’s some massive secret.

of course you can disagree that it should be allowed but I don’t think anyone has been kept in the dark. You just didn’t know.

Exactly. You could even argue that if this murderer was a bit thick, which let's be honest he probably was, he took being allowed to carry weapons as permission to also use them. Can you really blame him? Thick people can't understand complex rules like 'carry it but don't use it', which to be fair to them is a bit pointless.

It's like saying 'white children can carry fireworks but not set them off'. Fucking stupid law..

I asked the same question yesterday, about why Killer and Bro didn't hoppit and someone answered me. I think there was some amount of commotion around by the time Henry had got over a fence and crashed down so I don't think they could get away quietly. Too many people were involved by then. I know brother phoned the police but I think Wiki says that a neighbour did, too.

No, this tragedy was waiting to happen when you take the long view of the institutional DEI US-style snake oil that’s been peddled for a decade.

’White man bad’ has been institutionalised on steroids since George Floyd died and we are reaping that today.

Those policemen had been brainwashed. They could only see Henry’s colour and the colour of his murderer. And concluded and acted accordingly.

The very definition of racist.

I rather imagine they might. I can't help wondering what he thought and said when he realised that Henry had died and there were indeed stab wounds. Someone on the earlier thread said that it wasn't dark, but it was, and the light was from the house and the car lights.

We should all be outraged about this young man’s death, as outraged as everyone is for Steven Lawrence.

Those police need to be held accountable, but also their leaders, the Home Secretary and the PM. It’s their policies post George Floyd killing, that led to this chain of events. Apparently Hampshire police have their anti-racism objectives all over their website, and part of police individual performance is measured on this. So, the police have apparently been trained and told to address the needs of minorities primarily in police situations.

It is now a 2-tier system and this benefits no one as we will just end up more divided.

We should all be outraged. I don’t condone the Southampton violence, but I’d march for this.

Things need to drastically change in this country NOW or we are going to get a Reform government, and to be honest, if they don’t change, and quickly, I will feel I’ve got no option but to vote for them.

In my experience I would say that only a very small fraction of Sikh men in the uk carry a Kirpan. Almost all of them will have a bangle but not a kirpan. Remember that many Sikh men don’t even wear a turban and have short hair. Even those with turbans, I would say very few carry a kirpan. As someone with links to that community I am in favour of banning the carrying of any bladed weapon. It’s just not necessary. In a modern society it is just an anachronism and no one should be given special treatment when it comes to carrying a dangerous weapon