Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5536249-henry-nowak?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

This reminds me of how police have a particular mindset and are keen to stitch up people like Colin Stagg for a murder he didn't commit. Even after the death of Henry from stab wounds, they wanted to depict him as a racist who had started a fight and they actually tried to influence a trial in process.

I see you got there in the end. I don’t think it’ll help Labour. Most are angry about Henry’s death and ignoring their problem won’t work.

Anyway I can see you care about Labour so we’ll see what happens.

Jack Straw: Police anti-racism guidelines have gone too far

Former home secretary admits there has been an ‘over-correction’ as outcry grows over murder of Henry Nowak

Jack Straw has warned that police anti-racism guidelines have gone too far since he oversaw the inquiry into the Stephen Lawrence murder more than 25 years ago.

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Mr Straw said he recognised that officers had to make “really difficult” judgments instantaneously, but added: “Plainly much greater care has got to be taken with the guidance that is issued and probably less notice of rather vocal pressure groups sometimes.

“I don’t know for certain in this case, but there’s been a long-running issue for decades about the disproportionate influence that lobby groups can exercise … the disproportionate influence of lobby groups also reinforces the kind of metropolitan bias of decision-making.”

https://archive.ph/F0ShA

Yes, thanks, this is what I was referring to earlier.

Absolutely not true -No idea why you would make that claim.

2020 violent disorder in Whitehall / Black Lives Matter
2011 London riots were about the police shooting of Mark Duggan (black)
1995 Brixton Riots - death of Wayne Douglas( black ) in police custody
1985 - rioting in Brixton and Broadwater Farm about police shooting of a black woman Cherry Groce

🤣 Oh bless you, you are funny
if nothing else.

Um if that’s what you get enjoyment from 🫣🫠

Although if you read the article with Jack Straw’s comments just one below you’ll see some Labour have admitted the issue.

Basically the police are scared of large scale riots. Let's face it, the "minorities" are better at rioting than the overweight white thugs throwing wheelie bins at the police. I certainly remember how scary the 2011 riots were. My son was living in Notting Hill at the time and he bought a fire extinguisher as he thought his flat might be attacked.

There were certain areas of the US razed to the ground in the BLM riots in the US, including regular businesses run by minorities. Studies have since recorded that businesses eliminated this way rarely return to the neighbourhood. Hence, people in disadvantaged neighbourhoods found themselves without grocery stores or pharmacies.

Literally nowhere was ‘razed to the ground’ and your claim that businesses rarely return to the neighbourhood is false.

Do you remember when Irish people were targeted by the police in England? When Catholics were viewed with suspicion and all the jokes about IQ? My first job I had to wait longer for security clearance than some other new starters and when I asked the hold up I was told it was because I had an Irish name. That was the 90s. I’m sure (if you’re in England) you’ll have had some of this too and you’ll remember how horrible it was to be assumed to hold the same values as others that talked like you, looked like you, prayed like you. And yet here you are doing the same. It’s shameful really. True stereotypical prison officer.

I think we can all do without the type of 'protection' Henry received.

It used to be the police's job to protect the vulnerable.

this isn’t true - race was a factor in both cases
Re Sara Sharif www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e31vdjjl5o
“Neighbours of the Sharif family did at times hear things that worried them, but the review found that "they were worried about reporting concerns about what they heard within the family's home. They feared being branded as being racist, especially on social media".
Sara started wearing the hijab in 2021 when she was only eight years old, even though her stepmother did not.
The review found that the "school showed appropriate curiosity by talking to Sara and stepmother and accepted the explanation that this was linked to Sara's interest with Pakistani culture following a visit to her paternal grandparents in Pakistan".
In the last months of Sara's life the the hijab hid the bruising and injuries to her face and head”

What’s your point?

Starmer ( and others in politics and the media) are responsible for creating a narrative that only people of colour (or trans people)can be victims.

The white working class in particular have been treated with contempt and ignored. ( eg grooming gangs/ underachievement of white boys in education compared to every other demographic)

The failure is on the chronic under funding of child social services, law enforcement & white men commit the vast majority of sexual abuse of children (within so called gangs) is happening right now.

That pp blames Labour for the weather.

People should perhaps read the main provisions of the Police & Crime bill 2025.

Some very sensible proposals eg protections for AR officers, stopping police dismissed from one force joining another, removal of face coverings, such as the Hibjab.

All things that could have been done under the previous Govt but they didn't.

Your comment is a typical example of the way that racial factors were ignored in the case of the grooming gangs.
Deflect, deflect.

Fear of Racism Accusations: Multiple independent inquiries have determined that social workers, police officers, and local council officials frequently delayed or avoided robust investigations out of a fear of being labeled racist or stoking community tensions.

Baroness Casey’s report highlighted a”continued failure to gather proper robust national data, despite concerns being raised going back very many years. In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”.

Labour are, in part, responsible but I agree the previous government were woeful and did nothing to address the problems in policing

‘The pp’ who is that then? Still reading?

Labour will deflect, deny and ignore. Ultimately voters will respond and get someone else in who does listen.

The Father of Grace O'Malley Kumar was on the radio just earlier. Dr Sanjay Kumar is seriously pinning the focus on the guidelines from the royal college of Psychiatry and the findings that her Murderer had been sectioned 4 times since 2020 (which is why unprecedented) but they became averse to doing so seemingly BC black males are over represented in mental health diagnosis. He pointed out that he as a brown male is more likely to get diabetes but that doesn't mean you don't treat it because his ethnicity is more over represented

I read on X that there is a press conference today at 10.30 by three families victims of the Nottingham killer. I hope it is widely broadcast and not just on X.

The poor families of these murdered young people have been so dignified and eloquent .
We need truth and courage from our politicians. No more deflection.

No its not a deflection, its actually a deflection to ignore one section of societies abuse of children, focusing solely on another.

We should be dealing with ALL child sexual abuse regardless of who is doing these evil acts & of course so called racial concerns have clouded judgements and outcomes, Sarah Champion (Lab MP) was shouting from the roof tops about Pakistani grooming gangs for many years in her local areas, all fell on deaf ears.

On Labour, they have been in for less than 2 years, blaming just them (current govt) for these things is reaching as some pp have done, such "this is on Starmer, he must go..." its pathetic.

The failure of the Police to enforce the law has been abysmal, as has child social services but both have been on the receiving end of some brutal funding cuts, 20k Police officers cut, Social workers given massive case loads, racism too.

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Instead we focus on Pakistani rape gangs, ignoring the wider issues and abuses.