Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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Lucky the police appear to have had the sense to record that conversation.

Yes, I think that bit of the story is great - that the conversation was recorded and could be translated.

Basically, Henry’s phone was recording when it began and then Digwa filmed Henry trying to escape and being stabbed in his legs as he went over the fence. He couldn’t really plead self defence but like the airport brothers he might have had twats on the jury.

I am a great fan of diversity. I appreciate that we have a Nigerian born opposition leader and her predecessor was an Indian, funnily enough elected by the Conservatives. I am a member of a "minority" community myself. I think most decent citizens are on the same page. We do not appreciate the law being warped or distorted to attend to the needs of communities who want to lead a completely different lifestyle at odds with the host community or commit criminality. If you have come to this country of your own free will, abide by the laws. Apparently, for some mainly on the left, this is too much to stomache.

Some people say this one is not the mandatory one, which is short and curved. The blade used is longer, straight and very narrow. The reason why it reached a vital blood supply and left no major external bleeding to help the police see that Henry had been stabbed (bar on the face)
I would like for the shortening of the sentence to be revised. I think it cannot possible EVER apply to any muder weapon. Plus the law needs scraping.
How ridiculous is it that if it had been a kitchen knife the sentence would be longer?
All knives that stab someone are the same shite, same crime.

I didn't like thugs kicking off in the US anymore than what we have seen here in the last few days. However, I would suggest that the police here were very fearful of UK cities being burned to the ground after the BLM protests in the US, especially after they unilaterally went to protest during Covid in 2020 in London about George Floyd. Most of that was young people who had been locked up going out but it could have turned into something very nasty and the authorities were afraid.

Exactly, the Sikh Council UK have said that the knife he stabbed HN with was not a Kirpan. The Kirpan is legal, that knife was not, he was carrying it around to seriously hurt someone, he was just waiting for an opportunity, his sentence should reflect that.

He got 21 years minimum and it is up to the discretion of the prison authorities if he is released. That’s if he lives long enough if the other prisoners don't take him out. He has a target on his back now.

Did you read my post about the historical use of the Kirpan being used to defend Sikhs against the oppressive Muslim regime in India some centuries ago? It's specifically a weapon to be used against Muslims who are trying to kill you. Lol 😆 why are we on board with this crap. Ban it! We banned hanging! Get a fuckin grip.

In the future the massive civil unrest will be between all the third world people who have settled here - tribal tensions they have brought with them from their homelands. White people will be out of the game, cowed into submission, bystanders to fights that have nothing to do with them but played out on streets that used to be British. Nobody speaks about that.

This made me laugh out loud.

Exactly! This was not the first time they did this.

I think it was legal still. But shouldn’t be.

He said those carrying a nine-inch blade in a public place for religious reasons would typically not be prosecuted for possessing a dangerous weapon due to existing exemptions. The knife Digwa used to kill Nowak was eight inches long, and was therefore within that limit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmpymjn8wwo#:~:text=He%20said%20those%20carrying%20a,was%20therefore%20within%20that%20limit.

Nobody speaks about anything BUT that these days.

Meanwhile cokehead white British men are continuing to stab people, with the tensions they created themselves, so indeed they are very much in the game, never fear.

I agree he has a target on jis back.
He is likely to be on his own for yhe length of it. If I were in charge of him in prison, I would not risk it.

Like I said, he will be on the nonce wing for now until the controversy dies down. But given he's a committed Sikh, the Muslim prisoners will go for him. They are sworn enemies historically.

People that came here in the past abided by the rules of the country. They came to contribute. Immigrants have contributed hugely to this country but their offspring and the newer arrivals don’t want to contribute, they just want to live their lives their way. They are entitled in a way never seen before. Now new immigrants come because they know they can bring with them their own ways, can ignore the law, ignore democratic systems, women’s rights, gay rights. They have no need of the UK other than it’s a rich seam to mine for handouts and for crime. They know the magic word is racism, they keep that tucked in their back pocket, ready to be deployed when it suits. I think we must be the only country in the world are just allowing all this to happen, aided and abetted by our political masters and the idiotic apologists. But we are too far gone now. You never hear about the coke head white British men continuing to stab people - you obviously have an inside track on that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o

Not sure why, others have already said that the murderer is a marked man in prison due to Muslim prisoners, because they are sworn enemies. Why wouldn’t that spill out into life outside the prison?

He is a piece of shit too. It’s men, isn’t it, men are the issue.

Now you are on to something.

Henry was stabbed at 11:19 pm
and declared dead on the scene at 12:37. So from attack to death it was one hour 18 minutes. The main Southampton Hospital was 5 minutes away by vehicle.

Sorry but I just don't accept the Police coroner report that nothing could have been done to save Henry's life if the Police had acted to try to save him.

I'm appalled at the idea that Henry might have lived had he received timely medical attention. Having said that, his deterioration once he was cuffed was really rapid and it makes sense if your arms are behind your back that the blood vessels in your chest may be under pressure. I hope this is properly reviewed.

I'm also aghast at the fact that Henry AND HIS FATHERS phones were looked at. Firstly, his father was not involved in any way. Surely that's a breach of his human rights? Secondly, Henry was dead at this point. So they're scrabbling around trying to prove a dead man is a racist? Is this true?

I've got to say, having watched the extremely biased and unequal treatment of many women in trials where their character is assassinated despite no relevance to the case, my initial reaction is to believe this. Do they have no shame?

If this is true, it's definitely two tier policing.

Murder is murder. The worst racist in the world doesn't deserve to be knifed and murdered. If any police force or employee does not agree with this then we're in 1984 / Stasi territory. Agree with my ideology or you deserve to get killed?

I've also read reports of neighbours phoning to report the disturbance including that someone was saying they'd been stabbed, but the police didn't attend until the Digwas reported there had Been a Racism.
If so, that lack of response killed him. That was the golden hour.
And he might even have still lived had they not handcuffed him. He went from speaking to dead in three minutes once his chest was forced open.

@1dayatatime exaclty a private cornor needs to reassess.