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Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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rolloverbeethoven · 02/06/2026 14:21

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upinaballoon · 05/06/2026 15:09

1dayatatime · 05/06/2026 12:39

I suggest that the police acted in the way they did because they were simply following their own internal policies.

I don't actually blame the police officers involved but I do blame years of policies and indoctrination which has made police officers prioritise against an accusation of racism rather than doing their job including trying to save the life of a 18 year old stab victim rather than hand cuffing him and kneeling on his back.

I know the police put handcuffs on to Henry. Did one or more of them also kneel on his back? Or are you speaking in a general way rather than a specific way about this particular death.

roxyro · 05/06/2026 15:18

GoldThumb · 05/06/2026 11:08

He is one of the two men arrested, and being held in remand. He has pled not guilty, so we’ll see what happens.

Police claimed he kicked them, but multiple angles of the incident were recorded, and no one has been able to see a kick so far….

Whether he kicked them or not and I’m not condoning that, it’s totally different to the over the top attack on the 3 firearm officers, 2 of which were women, at Manchester Airport. There was a right furore over the fact that the male officer stamped on one of his attackers after he’d been bashed and kicked by both brothers. I believe he was suspended and is still facing possible charges.. What’s the difference? The attackers were Muslim so kid gloves again. No politicians coming out to criticise police over this guy’s absolute over the top beating by police. It is two tier policing without question.

MaturingCheeseball · 05/06/2026 15:30

It’s also sadly two-tier - of, rather, sectarian - juries. I don’t know what the country is going to do about this if you get an OJ situation in which a jury will not convict on principle due to ethnicity/religion of the accused.

Imusthavesaiditwrong · 05/06/2026 15:30

MelanzaneParmigiana · 05/06/2026 14:47

So you gamed the system for your convenience -people should choose one nationality.

Yes I agree on this I wish we had stuck with our British nationality. We are now wanting to give up our other nationality, but have found it’s not actually that easy on where to start.

Easytoconfuse · 05/06/2026 15:32

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2026 16:18

I don't disagree but the Police get told many things by violent criminals, most of which are not true.

Yes doesn't cuff suspect, turns suspect over looking for stab wounds and the suspect takes out a knife and attacks said officer... we'd all be saying "why the heck did he believe him?"

Obviously in this case the poor boy was not violent or a criminal but they weren't to know that.

The evidence was there appeared to be no stab wound, they were responding to a reported racial attack, people who stab others, don't tend to hang around the scene of their crime.

Treating everyone equally is all very well and good but given many cases of racism and assaults within many Police forces, before any changes in recent guidelines, i wouldn't want to go back to what we had before.

Aside, if the Police had a recruitment problem prior to this incident, they certainly will have a huge one now.... who would want to be a copper now a days?

One error of judgment and you re toast.

One error of judgement and an innocent young man died unnecessarily horrifyingly A man whose hands must have been like ice when he was handcuffed and whose pulse would have been hard to find.

A young man who cannot stand is very unlikely to be a violent criminal, wouldn't you think?

To quote a police office. "I don't think so, mate.'

roxyro · 05/06/2026 15:36

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 15:02

Henry asked "are you a bad man" which is street slang for are you a gangster when he saw the knife. In the gangster mind this is the equivalent of being "dissed" and merits a punishment.

Prior to that they had bumped into each other and Henry had asked Digwa why he didn’t move? I suppose Digwa had arrogantly refused to move a little, Henry saw the knife and cheekily (the judge’s words) asked him if he was a bad man. Digwa went on to prove he was just an evil pos.

roxyro · 05/06/2026 15:38

I should just like to add that on the footage when the policewoman asked for an ambulance she said Henry had been beat up! Not stabbed.

Easytoconfuse · 05/06/2026 15:39

Allisnotlost1 · 04/06/2026 17:28

I have read it. Do you actually know what equality of policing outcomes means? It means people being treated fairly, their rights upheld etc. It doesn’t mean they are not arrested, investigated, detained or charged.

An example of treating people according to their needs might be ensuring a detained man is searched by male officers, if his religion or culture requires it. Or that a woman has access to an in-cell toilet or sanitary products. Or that someone allergic to or unable to eat or drink certain foods has access to alternatives if detained for a long time. Wouldn’t you want your rights upheld if you were arrested or detained?

You might argue against that, but at least do it understanding why it matters that people’s legal rights are upheld when they are being investigated detained by the state, and why it matters that they feel they are upheld.

If they were treating them fairly then both of them would have been handcuffed or at least kept apart. With 4 of them there there were two for each of them. .

If they were treating them fairly a man who was begging for help would have been checked more thoroughly. When they handcuffed him his hands would have been freezing cold and his pulse weak. You can see they were blue in the video, and the Chief Constable has apologised for them doing it and said they should not have done it.

How does this uphold Henry Nowak's rights? Or did they vanish as soon as a murderer and his family played the race card?

Northermcharn · 05/06/2026 15:40

Alexandra2001 · 05/06/2026 13:53

Can you not debate without a series of insults?

So we are ALL equal in the eyes of the law but the rich can evade justice & thats all ok with you.
Somewhat different from being able to buy a better car.

I think its even worse that money can enable you to avoid being found guilty.

Plus we don't even have such guidance, there is nothing that says the law shouldn't be applied equally BUT we do have guidance on treating people with respect, such as ensuring a female victim of assault is given a female Doctor a female officer at interview..... remember no one arrested by the Police is guilty, thats to be decided by the courts.

You now say Black people now are inherently criminal.... committing more crimes than other races.... what an attitude!

Overall Sentencing Disparity: Research and statistical analysis by ADR UK and Action for Race Equality show that, even after adjusting for offence type and previous convictions, Black defendants remain statistically more likely to receive a custodial sentence than White British defendants.

@Alexandra2001 I never said that and you are lying. I've reported you for personal attack and slander.

1dayatatime · 05/06/2026 15:42

upinaballoon · 05/06/2026 15:09

I know the police put handcuffs on to Henry. Did one or more of them also kneel on his back? Or are you speaking in a general way rather than a specific way about this particular death.

I seem to recollect from the body cam that they had difficulty getting handcuffs on Henry and in the process knelt on his back. Happy to be corrected otherwise.

Northermcharn · 05/06/2026 15:44

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 14:51

Speaking as a former prison officer here. They did not follow the procedure they should have. They went to the scene with a closed mind. It gets much worse after this as police seized the phones of both Henry and his father to comb through them for any "racist messages" during the investigation.

How do you know they combed through their phones for [non existent] racist messages'?

SpaceRaccoon · 05/06/2026 15:44

Black defendants remain statistically more likely to receive a custodial sentence than White British defendants.

The report I saw also said that white defendents are more likely to plead guilty, than non-white ones, which attracts a lesser sentence.

Digwa pleaded not guilty, for instance.

Easytoconfuse · 05/06/2026 15:54

GoldThumb · 05/06/2026 11:03

This is what needs to be investigated.

He had survived 30 mins, and was able to talk etc.

Police arrived and he died with minutes of being dragged and cuffed.

They need another investigation into this urgently.
As far as I’m aware, the report did not mention how his injury was affected by being yanked cuffed and forced down 😔

The coroner has specifically said he's going to do this, with a jury and a chance for his parents to ask questions. If they need to crowdfund for the best barrister in the land I think a lot of us will chip in, and Elon Musk has previously said he'd pay for a private prosecution so I suspect he'll do the same for the inquest. To me, the coroner spoke the most sense of anyone yet. If he'd been involved earlier (Not his fault) then I think the demonstrations in Southampton wouldn't have turned violent.

Easytoconfuse · 05/06/2026 15:57

Fixydodah · 05/06/2026 13:03

The family are being used by all politicians and agitators. There is a back entrance to Downing Street, this was a photo op for Starmer.

Or a way of making very sure Henry's death would count for something. It's all they can have now and I'd happily have a photo opportunity with Satan under those circumstances. They shouldn't have to, but I agree with Keir Starmer when it comes to being in awe of them. What a man we've lost!

Easytoconfuse · 05/06/2026 16:04

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 15:02

Henry asked "are you a bad man" which is street slang for are you a gangster when he saw the knife. In the gangster mind this is the equivalent of being "dissed" and merits a punishment.

But it doesn't merit a punishment, does it? In my mind, when I see a politician lie I want to slap him round the face with a dead fish. I'm not allowed to.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 16:18

Let's cut the crap shall we? If this was a Sikh or any other minority on the ground stabbed and being dragged around and being spoken to like that by police, London would be burned to the ground like it was in 2011. A few thugs in Southampton have chucked wheelie bins at the police. After the BLM havoc in the US and fears of the same thing happening here, the police changed their policies quite radically which you can read about online as they're available to all.

Ipsevenenabibas · 05/06/2026 16:24

SpaceRaccoon · 05/06/2026 15:44

Black defendants remain statistically more likely to receive a custodial sentence than White British defendants.

The report I saw also said that white defendents are more likely to plead guilty, than non-white ones, which attracts a lesser sentence.

Digwa pleaded not guilty, for instance.

I didn't know he pleaded not guilty! Wow. So how did he explain himself? What was his defence? The more I read about Digwa the worse it gets. He is irredeemable, as is his family.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 16:31

Actually, the Sikh knife was mandated to be worn to protect Sikhs from the Islamic Mughals who occupied India after deteriorating relations between them and the Mughals who persecuted them. So the knife is worn to protect them from Muslims. Lol! No wonder they don't like each other!

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 16:33

Ipsevenenabibas · 05/06/2026 16:24

I didn't know he pleaded not guilty! Wow. So how did he explain himself? What was his defence? The more I read about Digwa the worse it gets. He is irredeemable, as is his family.

Both the brother and father have just been charged for perverting the course of justice and the mother is currently incarcerated awaiting sentencing.

Secretseverywhere · 05/06/2026 16:35

Ipsevenenabibas · 05/06/2026 16:24

I didn't know he pleaded not guilty! Wow. So how did he explain himself? What was his defence? The more I read about Digwa the worse it gets. He is irredeemable, as is his family.

Self defence, he was concerned Henry would grab his Kirpan (smaller curved blade hanging around his neck) and use it against him so he used his shaster (sword type blade) pre- emptively. Given that some of the wounds were in the back of Henry’s legs as he tried to run away after being stabbed in the chest it wasn’t believed.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 16:50

At least we didn't have a gullible jury as appears to be the case with the Manchester Airport thugs.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 16:53

Secretseverywhere · 05/06/2026 16:35

Self defence, he was concerned Henry would grab his Kirpan (smaller curved blade hanging around his neck) and use it against him so he used his shaster (sword type blade) pre- emptively. Given that some of the wounds were in the back of Henry’s legs as he tried to run away after being stabbed in the chest it wasn’t believed.

You can see how a gullible "diversity trained" police force might believe this which is why they went looking for racist messages on Henry and his father's phone. It might well have gone the other way and the killer let off.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 17:04

That boy is not going to have a good time in prison. He has a target on his back. He will get grief from the Muslims who don't like Sikhs and the white prisoners. They'll probably have to put him on the nonce wing. Maybe he will have to convert to Islam.

RoboBoogie · 05/06/2026 17:05

Secretseverywhere · 05/06/2026 16:35

Self defence, he was concerned Henry would grab his Kirpan (smaller curved blade hanging around his neck) and use it against him so he used his shaster (sword type blade) pre- emptively. Given that some of the wounds were in the back of Henry’s legs as he tried to run away after being stabbed in the chest it wasn’t believed.

Also, Digwa and his brother conversed in Punjabi in the police car to the station. His brother told him to claim self- defence and Digwa said if there were any cameras on the street where he attacked HN then he wouldn't be able to claim self-defence.
The conversation was recorded and translated.
So not only is Digwa a violent pos, he's also a fucking idiot.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 17:32

The only anti racists in prisons are the officers. This boy will encounter deep racism from the Muslim and white prisoners and anyone else. I remember the traveller boys saying the other prisoners tapped on the pipes at night (something they do) and called them pikeys.

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