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Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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rolloverbeethoven · 02/06/2026 14:21

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ByGraptharsHammer · 05/06/2026 13:18

Fixydodah · 05/06/2026 13:03

The family are being used by all politicians and agitators. There is a back entrance to Downing Street, this was a photo op for Starmer.

The family can decide what they want to do and how they do it. Graceless posturing

Justmerach · 05/06/2026 13:42

I would like to see knife wearing banned for all people in this country. I was looking at the case. It seems that all Sikh's are free under law to wear a knife under 9 inches. Some groups in the Nihang order use a second weapon. I think that on this there should one law for all.

Btw, I wonder how many Sikh's do take up wearing knifes and were in their scripture do they get this from?

Some diaspora people today are not worshipping the true spirit of their faith like their parents. They may be more extremist some and radicalised. Digwa seems like a misled Sikh.

Murders have happened before by this Order of Nihang group within this faith.
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/nihang-singhu-border-murder-tomar-b1941908.html

I was especially was interested by the post quoting the paediatrician about Novak may be have had a chance to be saved about 50% if he was not hand cuffed.

In the enchanced inquest I would like to see a knife review and this looked at more closely.

This is from the crown court case and weapons-
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You were sober but were carrying a large Sikh dagger in a sheath attached to a belt over the outside of your clothing. It is a strict requirement of the Sikh faith to have a knife, called a kirpan, at all times. Generally, this will be a small knife, hidden from view, often on a length of cord and worn around the neck. You had that but, in addition, the large dagger in a sheath. You are a member of an order of Sikhs called the Nihang who have a tradition of having a second knife, or kirpan and that is often fully visible, believing that the guru will look favourably on that. You observed that tradition in your everyday life, at work and in public. However, it was not a strict requirement; that is borne out by the fact that neither your brother nor father who arrived on the scene after you had stabbed Henry were so dressed. According to Professor Gurnam Singh,
Professor of Sociology and an expert in the field: “Over the last 30 years, therehas been a trend towards younger people wearing a kirpan with pride, in adesire to express their cultural identity. They see it as an act of resistance to being denied the ability otherwise to display their identity.”
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The privilege extended to practising Sikhs of being allowed to be in public witha bladed article and, particularly in respect of the large dagger, a highly dangerous weapon, easily accessible to the wearer, brings with it huge responsibility.

It is a fundamental principle of Sikhism that any kirpan is worn as a symbol of religious faith and is never to be carried for an offensive purpose. The legal approach to the carrying of such a knife, as long as the blade length does not exceed 9 inches, is that an offence of Having a Bladed Article in a public place will not be prosecuted; there has been an acceptance that its possession in those circumstances, can amount to a good religious and, therefore, legal reason for having it. The blade of the knife will not be on display; either it is under clothing or, alternatively, in a sheath. For both, it is a religious and, consequently, legal requirement that a kirpan should only be used offensively as a last resort, which would include its use in legal self-defence. In other words, only if use is necessary and, if so, reasonable in the circumstances. It is obvious that for use to be reasonable, any perceived threat justifying its use would only be in circumstances of great seriousness and urgency.

suburburban · 05/06/2026 13:53

measuretwicecutonce · 05/06/2026 09:03

The carrying of the kirpan should be banned. I would have more respect for the Sikh community if they suggested and accepted this. Absolutely no need in the UK in 2026 to be using religious laws/rules to justify this.

I’m actually over all this pandering to religions because of their outdated rules and laws. I’m also over hurty words, when about religion/cultures, being prioritised. If every woman complained, stabbed, kicked, punched the men that had used insults or even sexually harassed them (not just hurty words) then the police would be overrun. I’m not saying it’s right that people are insulted but it does seem that religious groups are listened to and get more protection because of this. This is the UK, 2026, a country based on Christian laws but very liberal and accepting. Too many have come here wanting the benefits but expecting to retain their medieval and often very backward practices, their own laws, their own religious schools and expecting our laws to be adjusted to them and for us to fund this stuff. Anyone who’s been to Saudi or Dubai had seen the other side of this, it’s conform or get arrested. Why does the uk continue to seemingly value and make allowances for (to the detriment of our country) others religion and culture when it is so far from our own?

Well said

Alexandra2001 · 05/06/2026 13:53

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Can you not debate without a series of insults?

So we are ALL equal in the eyes of the law but the rich can evade justice & thats all ok with you.
Somewhat different from being able to buy a better car.

I think its even worse that money can enable you to avoid being found guilty.

Plus we don't even have such guidance, there is nothing that says the law shouldn't be applied equally BUT we do have guidance on treating people with respect, such as ensuring a female victim of assault is given a female Doctor a female officer at interview..... remember no one arrested by the Police is guilty, thats to be decided by the courts.

You now say Black people now are inherently criminal.... committing more crimes than other races.... what an attitude!

Overall Sentencing Disparity: Research and statistical analysis by ADR UK and Action for Race Equality show that, even after adjusting for offence type and previous convictions, Black defendants remain statistically more likely to receive a custodial sentence than White British defendants.

GoldThumb · 05/06/2026 14:04

SpaceRaccoon · 05/06/2026 12:33

There's going to be an enhanced inquest now. Currently scheduled for September 2027 but people are trying to get it brought forward as the delay is so cruel to the family

This is good news, hopefully it will quicker than that.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 14:07

The person who received the 999 call asked twice if there were any weapons at the scene of the crime and the liar brother said no, even though a neighbour had also called reporting a stabbing. In the footage, the murderer is openly wearing one of his daggers. How did the police miss this evidence?

PropertyD · 05/06/2026 14:15

Sept 27. What on earth takes that long?

summermidnightsun · 05/06/2026 14:16

PropertyD · 05/06/2026 14:15

Sept 27. What on earth takes that long?

Inquests often do take ages. It’s not uncommon for them to be 2-3 years after the death.

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:18

RoboBoogie · 05/06/2026 11:22

But hundreds of murderers get released from prison every year after they have served their sentence; he didn't get a whole life order. He will serve 21 years and then the parole board will probably let him out.

No, the parole board won’t ’probably let him out’. That’s not how it works at all. About 95% of life sentenced prisoners go beyond tariff before they even sit in front of a parole board. Every time they get knocked back they have to wait several years for a new hearing. The 300 or so mandatory lifers released each year will almost all have only have been granted release after sitting two hearings - once to go to open prison, and be tested in those conditions - and once more, two or three years later, to be released.

PropertyD · 05/06/2026 14:18

But why? I know public sector like to take their time and have meeting after meeting but I am genuinely asking what takes so long. I presume the family can bury Henry?

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:23

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 11:26

That is not what they are taught in the new guidance for police officers since the George Floyd incident. The police were terrified that the UK would see cities burned to the ground in race riots as in the US, so they have imported intersectionality and Critical Race Theory from the US. They are taught to treat minorities with greater sensitivity and as "allies." So Henry was perceived from the off as the white supremacist aggressor and the lying family as the victims.

Great to have someone on the thread who has actually been through police training. Can you comment on whether these officers followed the training in terms of checking for injuries, separating the parties, securing the scene etc?

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:25

PropertyD · 05/06/2026 14:18

But why? I know public sector like to take their time and have meeting after meeting but I am genuinely asking what takes so long. I presume the family can bury Henry?

The IOPC investigation has to conclude first, and then all the evidence has to be gathered. Some will be the same as the criminal trial, some not. There will also need to be a court listing and judge/barristers available. A lot of the delays are the same reasons as delays in all courts - the Tories (and coalition govt before them) cut funding and closed courts.

summermidnightsun · 05/06/2026 14:27

PropertyD · 05/06/2026 14:18

But why? I know public sector like to take their time and have meeting after meeting but I am genuinely asking what takes so long. I presume the family can bury Henry?

Yes his funeral (and burial) took place in January. Usually the inquest opens very quickly with a short hearing, before a longer hearing to be heard at a later date. This is to give time for thorough investigations into the cause of death, the background etc and all the circumstances around it. I read this inquest will involve a jury which is not common for inquests, so that will be due to the police actions.

EasternStandard · 05/06/2026 14:29

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:25

The IOPC investigation has to conclude first, and then all the evidence has to be gathered. Some will be the same as the criminal trial, some not. There will also need to be a court listing and judge/barristers available. A lot of the delays are the same reasons as delays in all courts - the Tories (and coalition govt before them) cut funding and closed courts.

Where’s Labour’s extra funding, now they’re in power.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 05/06/2026 14:30

A family member just sent me a link to Konstantin Kisin on this. I find him generally even handed and articulate. It's an interesting watch, and includes the recording of the murderer speaking to the police in the first instance which I found shocking. Sorry if it's been posted before (I don't have time to RTFT right now).

The murderer using the racism word worked up to the point where it was clear Henry Nowak was near death. The police officers prioritised the murderer's account, they agreed Henry hadn't been stabbed (two of them) despite him saying he couldn't breathe. Had he been injured to a lesser extent, maybe it would have continued to work to skew their response. It's difficult to argue that you're the victim if the other person is no longer alive.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 05/06/2026 14:38

Ipsevenenabibas · 03/06/2026 22:25

Yes they told the judge he was racist 🙄. They keep using that word....

You wonder how many times it's worked well for them in order to keep doing it at a murder trial with pretty clear evidence including bodycam footage.

MelanzaneParmigiana · 05/06/2026 14:38

measuretwicecutonce · 05/06/2026 09:03

The carrying of the kirpan should be banned. I would have more respect for the Sikh community if they suggested and accepted this. Absolutely no need in the UK in 2026 to be using religious laws/rules to justify this.

I’m actually over all this pandering to religions because of their outdated rules and laws. I’m also over hurty words, when about religion/cultures, being prioritised. If every woman complained, stabbed, kicked, punched the men that had used insults or even sexually harassed them (not just hurty words) then the police would be overrun. I’m not saying it’s right that people are insulted but it does seem that religious groups are listened to and get more protection because of this. This is the UK, 2026, a country based on Christian laws but very liberal and accepting. Too many have come here wanting the benefits but expecting to retain their medieval and often very backward practices, their own laws, their own religious schools and expecting our laws to be adjusted to them and for us to fund this stuff. Anyone who’s been to Saudi or Dubai had seen the other side of this, it’s conform or get arrested. Why does the uk continue to seemingly value and make allowances for (to the detriment of our country) others religion and culture when it is so far from our own?

Absolutely this!

MelanzaneParmigiana · 05/06/2026 14:47

Imusthavesaiditwrong · 05/06/2026 11:50

We are all dual nationals, as when Brexit happened, we applied for dual nationality of mine and dh parents, EU countries of birth. We were all born here.

This is all making me wish we hadn’t actually, as I now worry if we and our DCs, as dual nationals could be deported to a country we have nationality of, but have never lived or worked or paid taxes in, makes me more than a bit concerned tbh.

So you gamed the system for your convenience -people should choose one nationality.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 14:51

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:23

Great to have someone on the thread who has actually been through police training. Can you comment on whether these officers followed the training in terms of checking for injuries, separating the parties, securing the scene etc?

Speaking as a former prison officer here. They did not follow the procedure they should have. They went to the scene with a closed mind. It gets much worse after this as police seized the phones of both Henry and his father to comb through them for any "racist messages" during the investigation.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 14:52

That hasn't been widely publicised.

Pacificsunshine · 05/06/2026 14:54

Do you have a reference for this?

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:55

MelanzaneParmigiana · 05/06/2026 14:47

So you gamed the system for your convenience -people should choose one nationality.

Why should they?

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:57

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 14:51

Speaking as a former prison officer here. They did not follow the procedure they should have. They went to the scene with a closed mind. It gets much worse after this as police seized the phones of both Henry and his father to comb through them for any "racist messages" during the investigation.

So you haven’t done police training, yet you know what these officers learned, what they thought, and have information about what they did that has been withheld from the public, and you’ve now shared it.

EasternStandard · 05/06/2026 14:58

Allisnotlost1 · 05/06/2026 14:57

So you haven’t done police training, yet you know what these officers learned, what they thought, and have information about what they did that has been withheld from the public, and you’ve now shared it.

Listening to another police officer he stated they didn’t assess the situation. They should have been doing this constantly, and failed.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/06/2026 15:02

Henry asked "are you a bad man" which is street slang for are you a gangster when he saw the knife. In the gangster mind this is the equivalent of being "dissed" and merits a punishment.