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Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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rolloverbeethoven · 02/06/2026 14:21

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MushMonster · 04/06/2026 07:10

Secretseverywhere · 04/06/2026 00:31

Most Scots wouldn’t carry a bladed sgian dubh. Many of them have a decorative handle but the blade part is made of plastic that you tuck in your sock. You couldn’t get in a pub/ club/ even most wedding venues ban them. Kilts are generally worn places where folk will be drinking. Weddings, fancy events, Highland Games, sporting events. It’d be bonkers to bring a sharpened blade to that sort of thing. The only exception would be on burns night when the chap delivering the ode to the haggis slices it open.

I googled and haven’t managed to find any sgian dubh related stabbing.

Perfect solution!
That is the way forward.
And it should be represented in the law.

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2026 07:31

PropertyD · 03/06/2026 22:27

I suspect the officer who used those fatal words ‘ I don’t think you have mate’ must be almost in hiding. His name will be known by most of Hants Police especially as he has been moved to desk duties abs probably from home.

He didn’t realistically go to that incident deciding he would automatically give the benefit of the doubt to a ethnic minority but his training taught him to ensure he didn’t immediately handcuff the perpetrator precisely because he was Sikh and Digwa knew this.

Huh?
Do you know what training he has received? can you read minds?

He was told by his control there had been a racist attack by a white man on a Sikh, on scene he saw 2 Sikhs telling him they had been attacked.
He saw no significant blood (injuries mainly internal)

He made a decision and didn't believe Henry, probably because he had heard all this before and thought this was just another one, trying to pull the wool.

He made a tragic mistake, one that will live with him for the rest of his life.

It is beyond tragic that so many now seek to use this to stoke division and to once again slur the Police, many of whom are the first to get attacked, injured even killed, as we all run away.

hairbearbunches · 04/06/2026 07:36

Quokkas · 04/06/2026 01:33

Very well said.

It's not very well said at all. Religious rights should never be allowed to trump the law of any given country, that the rest of the population are expected to abide by. All it does is create 'otherness' and fosters division. Most people will have never heard of the kirpan until this case was made public, but I don't think it's wrong to think the exemption is misguided. We have an issue with knife crime in this country, particularly among youth. Zero tolerance should mean that, not zero tolerance with exemptions. And certainly not for religious reasons.

I gather enough Sikhs have come out publicly and said there is no need to carry an actual knife, a symbol representing the kirpan is just as effective for executing the religious reasons behind the 'weapon'.

SpaceRaccoon · 04/06/2026 07:39

Could Henry Nowak have survived? Dr. Krzysztof Magier
@DrMagier
, a pediatrician and former honorary consul of the Republic of Poland in Cowes, analyzed footage from a police body camera showing Henry Nowak's death. Dr. Magier heads the pediatric intensive care unit, with experience in combat medicine training and a specialized course in treating severe injuries (including gunshot and stab wounds). He disagrees with the pathologist's and judge's opinion that Henry Nowak had no chance of survival and that handcuffing him essentially changed nothing. On the contrary—there is a high likelihood that the police intervention contributed to his death. He analyzed the autopsy report, which points to damage to the subclavian vein as the main source of bleeding, and explains where the problem lies. In a healthy person, venous bleeding occurs under low pressure and often self-limits thanks to the naturally forming clot, while simply approximating the wound edges and compressing the surrounding tissues closes the vein enough to slow or even stop the bleeding. The body camera footage shows that when police arrived on the scene (likely 5-10 minutes after the injury), Henry was conscious enough to speak quite loudly. He was therefore not yet in a terminal state. After his arms were twisted behind his back and handcuffed, the vein was most likely stretched, the clot torn, and bleeding dramatically intensified. Within just about three minutes, he lost consciousness and died. People with suspected internal injuries should never be moved or yanked abruptly—such actions can destroy the natural clot and lead to massive internal hemorrhage. Instead of immediately calling a medical rescue team and handing the patient over to paramedics, the police handcuffed him. If paramedics had arrived first on the scene, Henry’s chances of survival would have been much higher. "50%"—writes Dr. Magier. Paramedics could have quickly started an IV, administered fluids to increase circulating blood volume, and tranexamic acid to stabilize the clot, and if needed, performed needle decompression (inserting a large, long needle into the lung), because the issue wasn’t so much lack of lung function, but compression of the blood-filled lung on the heart and mediastinum, which blocks circulation. Worse still, the incident took place just a few minutes' drive by car (2–3 minutes by ambulance with sirens) from Southampton University Hospital—a regional Major Trauma Centre equipped with a full team of specialists, procedures, and equipment. "I am convinced that if Henry had arrived there alive, the doctors would not have let him die"—writes Dr. Magier. In summary: the aggressive police intervention, instead of saving a life, led to death through improper handling of a severely injured person, even though world-class care was just minutes away. "I fear the Judge and pathologist were too lenient toward the police"—writes Dr. Magier.

Dr Krzysztof Magier 🇵🇱 (@DrMagier) on X

Dr Krzysztof Magier MD PhD FRCPCH, były konsul honorowy Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej w Cowes / ex-honorary consul of the Republic of Poland in Cowes, private views

https://x.com/DrMagier

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 07:39

Allisnotlost1 · 04/06/2026 00:11

Ok, well let’s abolish wheelchair ramps and disabled toilets, make the age of criminal responsibility ‘from birth’, no more child fares, have everyone pay 40% tax regardless of earnings and get rid all single sex spaces. No more parental leave or child benefit, no more priority boarding for family tickets for attractions. That’s the law! Everyone is the equal, so let’s treat everyone the same regardless of age, sex, disability, race, pregnancy, sexuality or marital status yes?

Using this as an argument for the police guidelines is problematic. It’s too difficult to ensure equality of outcome in policing.

Not treating people the same leads to terrible incidents like this one for Henry.

Fixydodah · 04/06/2026 07:40

Grandmother of murderer has done an interview with the Mail online.

Says her grandson was a difficult child like a lot of kids brought up in UK. And that her daughter, the one in prison, is doing okay, and that she only did what every mother would do to protect her child.

The father is not a solicitor as I have seen mentioned- he runs a car valeting business on an industrial estate which has been closed for last few weeks in anticipation of the trial. Has a temper on him, as do his sons.

There is something else that subliminally references that it is being brought up in UK that made their male relative go rogue. So not the way he has been brought up around weapons, some illegal, but the UK’s fault. Massive eyeroll.

The whole family seem to live according to some medieval way with their focus defending their faith and all the swordplay. The larger knife that was used to murder was carried in a visible sheaf. He seemed to wear that sheaf everywhere and there is no requirement to walk around carrying that size if blade.

HoppityBun · 04/06/2026 07:48

IGuessIllbetheFirst · 03/06/2026 20:02

I think the footage as he lay dying is harrowing - how utterly sad to die like that, alone and unbelieved. Why are the police officers involved not sacked already? I rarely feel this strongly but the way that one of them dismissed he had been stabbed as he lay dying makes me so angry. He said he had been stabbed and couldn’t breathe - why didn’t they just look and see? His family must be devastated to see this.

  1. Another consequence of those lies is that the attending police officers honestly
    believed that there were reasonable grounds for suspecting Henry had
    committed an offence and arrested him with the consequence he was
    handcuffed for about a minute before his condition further deteriorated and the
    arresting officer began CPR. The police were given a convincing but wholly false
    narrative of the incident. It was dark and Henry was wearing a dark top. The
    entry damage caused by the knife through it, would not have been obvious.
    Whilst there was visible blood on Henry, it would not have clearly been seen
    coming from that wound and the clearly visible facial wound was not life-
    threatening. Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was
    struggling to breathe but that would not have necessarily told the officers how
    serious the situation had become. It is the experience of the criminal courts that
    sometimes, someone arrested and handcuffed will feign injury in the hope they
    may be released. These police officers were faced with having to make quick
    decisions in pressurised circumstances about the best way to act. The genuine
    shock to the particular police officer, when he realised that he had been giving
    CPR to Henry when he had a serious chest wound tends to show that he was
    doing his best in a very difficult situation.

  2. You were still present at the scene when Henry was saying he was dying and still
    you did not tell the truth about how seriously you knew you had hurt him and
    the need for urgency. Instead, you said he had not been stabbed and that he was
    exaggerating.

ilovebrie8 · 04/06/2026 07:57

The mother should be deported she aided and abetted the killer. Hope she gets a long prison sentence then is deported.
The whole family are complicit in concealing the murder the father and the brother. Rotten family.

vihotpot · 04/06/2026 08:04

Fixydodah · 04/06/2026 07:40

Grandmother of murderer has done an interview with the Mail online.

Says her grandson was a difficult child like a lot of kids brought up in UK. And that her daughter, the one in prison, is doing okay, and that she only did what every mother would do to protect her child.

The father is not a solicitor as I have seen mentioned- he runs a car valeting business on an industrial estate which has been closed for last few weeks in anticipation of the trial. Has a temper on him, as do his sons.

There is something else that subliminally references that it is being brought up in UK that made their male relative go rogue. So not the way he has been brought up around weapons, some illegal, but the UK’s fault. Massive eyeroll.

The whole family seem to live according to some medieval way with their focus defending their faith and all the swordplay. The larger knife that was used to murder was carried in a visible sheaf. He seemed to wear that sheaf everywhere and there is no requirement to walk around carrying that size if blade.

Unpleasant family, no honour. They started an argument with Henry's family after the verdict.

We know the type, everything is always somebody else's fault. Dad and sons had a temper, granny is self righteous, mum a housewife who hasn't attended school in Britain nor worked here, may have mostly interacted with her husband, sons and in-laws. A dysfunctional mini clan in which the sons and husband no doubt were indulged.

Now they are in jail, precisely where they belong. Extended family members have to move away, give up their home, which is sad for them but some people would say fafo. Can't believe the granny blamed her wayward grandson's difficulties on growing up in England. Rude.

1dayatatime · 04/06/2026 08:09

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/06/2026 23:34

The reason you had no idea is because the exemption has never caused issues.

A much higher proportion of homicides are committed with kitchen knives. Are you arguing that we should get rid of these too?

The clue is in the name "kitchen knives ".

🍴 have no objection to people having kitchen knives, so long as they keep them in the kitchen. However I would object to people walking around the streets carrying a large carving knife.

Honestly the quality of debate and comments on MN has really taken a dive over recent years.

Fixydodah · 04/06/2026 08:16

Basically this story is about toxic masculinity, men fixated on violence and combat, the amassing of weapons dressed up in some religious defending of their faith which doesn’t need defending, because the need to do so took place years ago in another country. They are not noble knights just basic thugs in traditional garb with weapons that they are allowed. Aided and abetted by the state here who won’t want to upset a BAME community. And the apologists of course. And the Sikh women who run their worlds around the needs of their little warriors.

Welcome to Britain, do what you like if you dress it up in the name of religion.

upinaballoon · 04/06/2026 08:20

HoppityBun · 04/06/2026 07:48

  1. Another consequence of those lies is that the attending police officers honestly
    believed that there were reasonable grounds for suspecting Henry had
    committed an offence and arrested him with the consequence he was
    handcuffed for about a minute before his condition further deteriorated and the
    arresting officer began CPR. The police were given a convincing but wholly false
    narrative of the incident. It was dark and Henry was wearing a dark top. The
    entry damage caused by the knife through it, would not have been obvious.
    Whilst there was visible blood on Henry, it would not have clearly been seen
    coming from that wound and the clearly visible facial wound was not life-
    threatening. Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was
    struggling to breathe but that would not have necessarily told the officers how
    serious the situation had become. It is the experience of the criminal courts that
    sometimes, someone arrested and handcuffed will feign injury in the hope they
    may be released. These police officers were faced with having to make quick
    decisions in pressurised circumstances about the best way to act. The genuine
    shock to the particular police officer, when he realised that he had been giving
    CPR to Henry when he had a serious chest wound tends to show that he was
    doing his best in a very difficult situation.

  2. You were still present at the scene when Henry was saying he was dying and still
    you did not tell the truth about how seriously you knew you had hurt him and
    the need for urgency. Instead, you said he had not been stabbed and that he was
    exaggerating.

I realised after a moment or two that these were the words of the judge to the accused.

I wasn't listening to the evidence in the court. The judge heard it all. He has said "The genuine shock to the particular police officer, when he realised that he had been giving CPR to Henry when he had a serious chest wound tends to show that he was doing his best in a very difficult situation."

I don't know whether it was one or two or three policemen who handcuffed Henry for a while, told him he hadn't been stabbed mate and tried CPR. There was a time in this country when hospital managers moved Covid sufferers around in hospitals and helped to spread it but I don't believe that they did that deliberately. I am not connected to any Sikhs or police officers or Polish people. As an on-looker I don't believe that any of the police officers deliberately tried to make Henry's condition worse, even though their procedures seem to have done.
Thank you for putting up points 27 and 28.

Imusthavesaiditwrong · 04/06/2026 08:20

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2026 07:31

Huh?
Do you know what training he has received? can you read minds?

He was told by his control there had been a racist attack by a white man on a Sikh, on scene he saw 2 Sikhs telling him they had been attacked.
He saw no significant blood (injuries mainly internal)

He made a decision and didn't believe Henry, probably because he had heard all this before and thought this was just another one, trying to pull the wool.

He made a tragic mistake, one that will live with him for the rest of his life.

It is beyond tragic that so many now seek to use this to stoke division and to once again slur the Police, many of whom are the first to get attacked, injured even killed, as we all run away.

I don’t think you have mate

we all make mistakes, but that seriously???

VillageFete · 04/06/2026 08:21

Those defending the rights of Sikhs to carry a knife, you are part of the problem.

It fosters a culture of division. One religious group allowed to carry a deadly weapon “just because” is senseless, has the potential to be incredibly dangerous and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many sane people of this Country, as shown by the amount of posters that agree on this thread that it’s bonkers.

Yes, it’s legal as it stands. Yes, under that snivelling, weak, pathetic PM of ours it won’t change, but my God it should and I genuinely believe that the majority of people in this Country would feel the same.

You carry on screaming for the rights of a religious group to carry a deadly weapon, because God forbid we strongly disagree with a minority being allowed to carry a fucking knife, God forbid it causes upset and rocks the boat.

SpaceRaccoon · 04/06/2026 08:27

Thanks for the correction about the family occupation. Vile through the generations then, and shameless.

GentleSheep · 04/06/2026 08:31

Welcome to Britain, do what you like if you dress it up in the name of religion.

Except you can't - try being a Christian and silently praying in the vicinity of an abortion clinic. You'll get arrested. No weapons, no signs, no reason.

GentleSheep · 04/06/2026 08:32

Also, this whole 'incident' is a total disgrace to our country. No-one should be permitted to carry any kind of weapon, it doesn't matter what your religion is. Poor Henry, what a shocking, inhumane and distressing way to die.

1dayatatime · 04/06/2026 08:41

Well now the public are being asked not even discuss or debate the Henry Nowak case.

The Head of the Independent Office for Police Conduct has warned discussion of the case could risk prejudicing the investigation.

Personally the prejudice I am more concerned about is the prejudice displayed by those police officers in December last year. And the call to the public to stop discussing it looks like "let's just not talk about it and hope it goes away".

https://news.sky.com/story/henry-nowak-police-watchdog-chief-urges-people-not-to-speculate-about-teenagers-murder-13550604

Southwestoftheriver · 04/06/2026 08:46

SpaceRaccoon · 04/06/2026 07:39

Could Henry Nowak have survived? Dr. Krzysztof Magier
@DrMagier
, a pediatrician and former honorary consul of the Republic of Poland in Cowes, analyzed footage from a police body camera showing Henry Nowak's death. Dr. Magier heads the pediatric intensive care unit, with experience in combat medicine training and a specialized course in treating severe injuries (including gunshot and stab wounds). He disagrees with the pathologist's and judge's opinion that Henry Nowak had no chance of survival and that handcuffing him essentially changed nothing. On the contrary—there is a high likelihood that the police intervention contributed to his death. He analyzed the autopsy report, which points to damage to the subclavian vein as the main source of bleeding, and explains where the problem lies. In a healthy person, venous bleeding occurs under low pressure and often self-limits thanks to the naturally forming clot, while simply approximating the wound edges and compressing the surrounding tissues closes the vein enough to slow or even stop the bleeding. The body camera footage shows that when police arrived on the scene (likely 5-10 minutes after the injury), Henry was conscious enough to speak quite loudly. He was therefore not yet in a terminal state. After his arms were twisted behind his back and handcuffed, the vein was most likely stretched, the clot torn, and bleeding dramatically intensified. Within just about three minutes, he lost consciousness and died. People with suspected internal injuries should never be moved or yanked abruptly—such actions can destroy the natural clot and lead to massive internal hemorrhage. Instead of immediately calling a medical rescue team and handing the patient over to paramedics, the police handcuffed him. If paramedics had arrived first on the scene, Henry’s chances of survival would have been much higher. "50%"—writes Dr. Magier. Paramedics could have quickly started an IV, administered fluids to increase circulating blood volume, and tranexamic acid to stabilize the clot, and if needed, performed needle decompression (inserting a large, long needle into the lung), because the issue wasn’t so much lack of lung function, but compression of the blood-filled lung on the heart and mediastinum, which blocks circulation. Worse still, the incident took place just a few minutes' drive by car (2–3 minutes by ambulance with sirens) from Southampton University Hospital—a regional Major Trauma Centre equipped with a full team of specialists, procedures, and equipment. "I am convinced that if Henry had arrived there alive, the doctors would not have let him die"—writes Dr. Magier. In summary: the aggressive police intervention, instead of saving a life, led to death through improper handling of a severely injured person, even though world-class care was just minutes away. "I fear the Judge and pathologist were too lenient toward the police"—writes Dr. Magier.

This seems logical too… on another thread someone mentioned about making the wound “bigger” by the action of stretching the arms behind the back.

It makes the situation even more unbearable

That poor boy RIP.

SpaceRaccoon · 04/06/2026 08:51

Southwestoftheriver · 04/06/2026 08:46

This seems logical too… on another thread someone mentioned about making the wound “bigger” by the action of stretching the arms behind the back.

It makes the situation even more unbearable

That poor boy RIP.

There is other footage that wasn't shown in court as considered too harrowing, but it shows Digwa tormenting and filming Henry for over an hour after he's already been stabbed.

So there was a "golden hour" window that he could definitely have been treated in, had the police and ambulance actually responded to the neighbour's initial call.
And it's clear that his condition deteriorates rapidly once in handcuffs - he goes from talking clearly to dying in a very short space of time at that point.

https://x.com/HenryNowakSol_/status/2062348077327888781

Justice For Henry Nowak (@HenryNowakSol_) on X

The Daily Mail has now published details from sentencing that almost no one has reported. As Henry Nowak — bleeding from five stab wounds — tried to climb a commercial rubbish bin and over a fence to escape, Vickrum Digwa filmed him. And taunted him....

https://x.com/HenryNowakSol_/status/2062348077327888781

allthingsinmoderation · 04/06/2026 08:55

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2026 07:31

Huh?
Do you know what training he has received? can you read minds?

He was told by his control there had been a racist attack by a white man on a Sikh, on scene he saw 2 Sikhs telling him they had been attacked.
He saw no significant blood (injuries mainly internal)

He made a decision and didn't believe Henry, probably because he had heard all this before and thought this was just another one, trying to pull the wool.

He made a tragic mistake, one that will live with him for the rest of his life.

It is beyond tragic that so many now seek to use this to stoke division and to once again slur the Police, many of whom are the first to get attacked, injured even killed, as we all run away.

I think the issue is policing without fear or favour ,treating people equally and basing decisions on evidence rather than allegations.
As for "no significant blood" if someone says they have been stabbed and cant breath, surely the only professional response is to check carefully for any sign of injury?
That wasn't done in this case and that needs thorough investigation to understand how and why that happened to prevent such a tragedy happening again.

Imusthavesaiditwrong · 04/06/2026 09:01

It didn’t happen because the police were falling over themselves to believe the racism allegations and only saw the colour of Henry’s skin; not his pallor.

They ignored his words and his demeanour (?). That poor poor boy.

Fixydodah · 04/06/2026 09:06

Henry was not flailing around he was dying. Yet they cuffed him. If he was being aggressive, can understand the police confusion more. But he wasn’t, they were heavy handed and biased because his killer and his brother waved the race card.

5MinuteArgument · 04/06/2026 09:11

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 03/06/2026 22:23

When your house is burning down, you don’t expect the fire brigade to start up the hose pipe at the house across the street because ‘that might catch on fire next’. You put out the house that’s already on fire. There’s lots of knife crime in the UK already. Let’s not panic that all the Sikhs and young fellas in traditional Scottish dress who have been going round NOT stabbing each other since the dawn of time might start now because YOU just learned about their culture.

All communities should be treated the same and should abide by the same laws.

Fixydodah · 04/06/2026 09:14

For a few years there has been a growing unease for me that we are not safe. There has always been crime and danger but I thought underlying it all was that laws and authorities could stop things from happening or to make sure that a punishment fits the crime. That sense of feeling protected has gone forever. Authorities don’t want to know any more, they want to protect marginal interests.