Henry Nowak second thread, as requested.

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I can’t possibly explain the motivation or behaviour of anyone since I am not them. From the footage and the information we know it seems those officers either received very poor basic training, or departed from their training that evening.

Yes I think the murder of career criminal George Floyd and the whole BLM thing supercharged the 'progressive' cause. And the police along with others started implementing policies which have led to the situation we have now with two tier policing.

We need a reset to bring things back to the middle ground.

It was here:
https://x.com/i/status/2062225948968177973

I don't think they did depart from their training. They treated the ethnic minority person more favourably. That's fully in line with their race action plans, diversity initiatives etc.

Which 3rd party company I wonder

does anyone else remember a thread on mumsnet just after the stabbing around 3 December? I distinctly remember reading a thread, an incident with huge police presence in Southhampton was being discussed and something about sensitive community relations.

It is in their policy!
It is just plain crazy!
It is not even a police officer on a bad day, bad guy.. nope, it is their damned policy!

Just watched this for the first time. Its so sad. I wish I hadn't seen it. I dont care about race, the police couldn't have seen the stabbing - there was no obvious bloody, stabbing wasnt obvious on the video camera, I dont know what they could have done. So sad for that boy and his family.

The police could have made a few checks when Henry told them several times he’d been stabbed and couldn’t breathe.

I’ll tell you what they could have done… Exercised some common sense and decency and listened to what the injured child was saying and bloody check him.

I’ll also tell you what I believe they shouldn’t have done… Handcuffed him. Been sarcastic towards him. Blindly listened to that lying piece of shit.

The police failed that child. The police and their policies are disgraceful.

Listening to a police person today (radio) he said the main thing to do is constantly reassess the situation. They failed on this terribly.

The interview was good but rushed, it’s annoying they can’t just give people more time to explain things.

They could not save his life, but they could have held his hand and comfort him on his last moments of life, instead of making even more difficult for him to breath by handcuffing him on his back and laying him on the floor. He could have died having someone checking him up for injuries, calling an ambulance, holding him.
Instead of been arrested.
True, for the amount of stab wounds, you would expect quite a bit of blood. He was wearing a white shirt and all. This blade that was used, it must have been of a peculiar shape.

Yes, this is what the politicians and media should be talking about. What to do about this mindset which is corroding society, not about what Nigel Farage said or people getting angry in Southampton.

He's a violent nutter I think. Previously kicked out of his Gurdwara for stealing £1000 of ceremonial knives, brother was involved in acroaf rage incident as well. Just one of those rotten families despite the respectable careers.

The thing is you CAN ban these things and go home all smug that you’ve ’done something about it’.

Sleep tight but it’s literally fiddling while Rome burns. Stopping Sikhs and Scots from carrying traditional knives will make fuck all difference when it comes to knife crime stats overall. You’ve not gained any ‘win’ of safety, not really, all you’ve lost is religious and cultural freedom. And young people will go on dying from knife crime.

They could have believed him - at the very least, believed him enough to check him properly.

It’s about equality, not just stats.

No group, regardless of culture or religion, should be entitled to carry a deadly weapon as they simply walk around in day to day life.

The biggest take home from this isn’t that issue though, it’s the two tier system and the weak, woke, ridiculous policing we have which comes from Government.

So you dont REALLY care about young people dying in knife crime incidents…. You’re just fuming that someone somewhere (a minority!!!!) might have a ‘right’ to do something you don’t (but actually do share that right - if you wanted to go through all the bother of becoming a baptised Sikh).

Got it. Glad we established you don’t give a fuck and are using this dreadful murder in a callous and awful way.

I do not see it in this way, at all.
It could be a Sikh young man or Scot who is stabbed next. This affects them as much as any other ethnicity. The rise in knife crime, young children carrying knives, stabbings, it affects us all. All of us.
Most of us no longer need to carry blades. They still can keep the decorative case. Empty.
The less knives are seen, the less young kids will think of carrying one.

All this. Terrible. What were they thinking?

How quickly did the police realise what had actually happened and when did the charge this scum with murder?

OF COURSE I care about young people dying due to knife crime. It’s a huge, terrible problem; we are all aware of that.

It takes one lunatic Sihk with the privilege of legally being allowed to carry a weapon for something like this to occur again. We scream for equality- then treat all citizens the same and don’t have dangerous fucking laws in place enabling a minority to carry a deadly weapon. It’s COMMON SENSE, and I imagine the countless amount of kind and decent Sikh members of our communities would have no issue whatsoever should that law come to pass - and if they don’t? Fuck off somewhere else that allows it then.

I guess when the policewoman shone a torch in Henry's eyes and saw that his pupils were fixed? Although still a horrifying lack of concern in her voice.

Someone said this further up in the thread and it was spot on - We don’t let women carry pepper spray, but we let a religious group carry a deadly weapon if they so wish.

When your house is burning down, you don’t expect the fire brigade to start up the hose pipe at the house across the street because ‘that might catch on fire next’. You put out the house that’s already on fire. There’s lots of knife crime in the UK already. Let’s not panic that all the Sikhs and young fellas in traditional Scottish dress who have been going round NOT stabbing each other since the dawn of time might start now because YOU just learned about their culture.

Also the ‘I know but we have to check’

When someone said he hasn’t been stabbed. The ‘I know..’ how wrong she was. How blasé and callous.