Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

New thread 😀

All about the money with these supposed victims 🤮

It’s so ignorant to say it’s about money. And it’s basically parroting the Jackson estate people who want to preserve their own incomes.

It’s also easy to pay people off. But answer this question;

Why has no other rich celebrity been dogged for decades by constant accusations that he molests little boys of a certain look?

I don’t see him smirking. I think what really annoys me specifically is that we’re supposed to have reached a point in society where people don’t victim blame and accuse people of lying if they aren’t the perfect victim any more.

But where it comes to Michael Jackson there are no depths that people don’t stoop to to be victim blamers. Simply because they don’t want to accept that their idol was a depraved pervert.

People say they should be doing this or that or they should cry. And it’s disgusting really because how do you know how you would react in such a position?

There are so many accusers and so many people who saw inappropriate conduct. They are not all lying - I just don’t believe it.

And as we’ve established before, accusers become targets for extreme abuse and death threats from the delusional fans, some of whom carry out those threats or would. Not a fun place to be, I’m sure.

It's awful that you'd say things like this repeatedly despite saying earlier in the thread you're only convinced 90% that he's innocent, so you believe that there's a chance he's not but think nothing of degrading his accusers.

I dunno. Mjs brother said that wade Robson came out with allegations right after he was turned down from a job contract

Yep. And that job was working for the Jackson estate!

Also Safechuck has just found out his inheritance was potentially going down shit creek, when he realised he’d been abused decades earlier.

In the email that the supporters point to where Wade had begged for the job, it seems that he had been at least in the running for it initially but instead chose to focus on something else instead, and then went back and asked for the job.

He had his first nervous breakdown just before asking for the job, and then he had his second one the year after, and then he accused MJ of abusing him the following year.

Email from Robson:

https://leavingneverlandfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wade-Email-to-Cirque-Wanting-MJ-Show-Badly-532x1024.jpg

Yep that's the one

MJ’s brother is invested in denying that he was a pedophile. He always has been.

Seems there’s a lot of really fervent pro- Michael fans on here that are trying to pretend they aren’t as invested in his innocence as they really are. Lots of postulating and ‘I’ve no skin in the game but…’ ‘I did believe he was guilty but then I did my own research’, ‘I’m 90% sure he’s innocent’ ( this is really I’m 100% but trying to look like I might not be a fanatic about it) etc etc. Are you all embarrassed you believe him or just that you think it makes you look more rational if you pretend you have a glimmer of doubt about it when actually you clearly don’t. No one seems happy to address the young boy-child obsession he clearly had or the co-sleeping weirdness. Just endless, ‘well, his brother said this’ or ‘the victim looked like he was smirking’. None of it hard evidence or fact just personal opinions. Fact is he had numerous young boys surrounding him and in his bed.Fact is they found sinister materials inside his house, disturbing magazines, sadomasochistic material, art and photography books depicting nude and/or semi-nude children, life-sized child mannequins, and photographs of young celebrities with unsettling messages written on them. How can any of that me swept under the carpet?

Well you like to talk for other people but you're wrong actually. I'm not an M
J fan. I'm just not sure if he did it or not and I like looking at all the evidence, and the information from various sides.

Hmmmm. 🧐

Nothing you have said gives evidence from the guilty side though?!

I have. I think I wrote them in part 1 of this thread. We are on part 2 now. It's been a very long thread!

Right. Of course.

Ok. Watching the Netflix thing now. I always like to see both sides. Martin Bashir is being interviewed on this which he fails to mention that he set up a lot of situations in this,confirmed by Michael's bodyguard,Matt Fiddes. I personally think it's lost any credibility,if there was any in the first place, getting his shady opinion on anything. 🙄😩 Let's see what other shit it comes up with 😬

I really don’t see what Martin Bashir has to do with anything. He may have set out to make MJ look bad. But if he succeeded in that it’s because MJ’s behaviour was wrong in the first place. He was obsessed with having children sleep in his bedroom and could not stop doing it, even when people advised him to stop doing it.

Can you imagine any celebrity getting away with this dreadful behaviour today? Because they wouldn’t. MJ’s actions would have been blown wide open early on in his career had he existed at a time of social media and vast sharing on the internet.

And nothing about Janet Arvizo and her extortion rackets. Loving mother indeed 🙄🤣

Autumn has drunk the MJ Kool Aid

I think if you’re going to be objective, you will look at the totality of the evidence instead of trying to dismiss every single victim.

There is no such thing as the perfect victim and people who hold a victim to a certain standard, as you are doing are the reasons why sex crimes often go unreported and unpunished.

Exactly this. So much sidestepping on this thread and focusing on the wrong people. Agree, what Bashir has got to do with any of it. Jackson’s actions speak volumes for n their own.

Many have and are hateful towards victims as a result. It’s vile to behold.

People like to see MJ as this wonderful person. But genuinely decent people have humility and don’t depict themselves as the Messiah like he did. That, alone speaks volumes about his narcissism.

I also find it somewhat interesting that he called two of his tours ‘Bad’ and ‘Dangerous’. You wonder if it was a form of duper’s delight.

Absolutely nothing new. Not sure what the point was,other than cashing in after the success of the Michael movie 🙄