Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I haven't watched it either, same reason. A few of us have dc of that age, away at uni. Its too much.

The video's being replayed and the brother's call to the police is worse than I thought - having said his brother was attacked racially, he then adds "by some white man".

I know it's controversial, but IMO this murder has shown EP's "rivers of blood" was prescient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech

Same re beanpole of a teen. I heard a bit on the radio it was enough. We also have a dd the same age as the three girls in the other horrific crime. Both crimes make me want to curl up. Too distressing.

At least be honest @PipMumsnet

There was no ‘system flagging’ - one of the usual vexatious reporters alerted you.

Delete away, but we all know the truth - they report because they are losing the argument.

Good (but why has it taken so long for these offences to be identified?).

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15866931/Sikh-killer-murdered-Henry-Nowak-return-court-father-brother-charged-weapons-offences.html

More deletions this morning, anyone know why? Another banned poster? Must be boring over on the Starmer thread, what can they possibly find to talk about these days?

Due to the nature and some of the posters on this Site, I am very indisposed to giving my feelings about the Henry Novak 'Murder'. If I did it is likely I would become a Banned Poster. However, what I will say it is very 'desperate' that the attacker claim from the 'Sikh' Community which is one of the 'greatest' and most 'British' and fully integrated within society !

Henry Nowak !

Can't explain on the thread, but @GruberS's pp makes perfect sense.

The Government response is typical of an organisation, that believes it bears no responsibility for the Murder. The Governments response is equal in nature to a response you might expect from high street store, should they be guilty of supplying faulty goods ! This at first to ignore and than finally a lukewarm acceptance !

Absolutely pathetic but no would expect nothing else, from a party who can not Govern appropriately for people who are not from 'Special' or distinct Culture backgrounds. Hence, Starmer showing any leadership would have garnered no capital benefit for the Labour Party..

Nobody would have expected anything else from this shambles ..

Sons partner works in retail food unit. In a city as the manager when the lecherous males threaten the staff she either sends them off the shop floor or a male member of staff from another unit comes or she puts them into a taxi herself. Not a Uber I might add if they're alone.

This is Yorkshire not Rio de Janeiro.

The government and public sector need to re-evaluate antiracism quickly. Postmodernist ideas about “power” seem to have been incorporated into all arms of the state.

Special considerations and protections for a very small minority were workable. A considerable portion of the UK is now foreign born and demographics are changing quickly. Only 53% of children born in 2024 had two British parents. As we become a very pluralist society we need to change. We won’t be an homogeneous society with a dominant culture and a tiny minority anymore.

In those circumstances, treating different groups differently based on identity is likely to fuel competition and resentment.

Luckily, the UK has a rich philosophical tradition: reason, truth, blind justice, each individual being judged on his or her own merits, etc. It feels like getting back to that is the best way to avoid becoming Yugoslavia, Syria, etc. where different religious and ethnic groups compete ruthlessly and violently.

I think that you posting this is inappropriate.

I do not defend the impact mass immigration has had on the UK. I totally believe immigration must be controlled and do feel that migration of some nationalities does effect cultural cohesion, but the EP speech is the most controversial speech in modern British politics because of its predictions about racial conflict and its effect on public debate. We are having the debate, the debate must be had but let’s not go there!

I think the biggest story is the prejudice and careless behaviour of the police whose anti-racist training overrode their compassion and sense which contributed to Henry's death.

I had no idea that a carrying a knife could be lawful with a religious caveat, that is crazy and that needs to be dealt with immediately.

But I'm not sure this is an example of failed multiculturalism, as a community. This seems to be, unless I have missed something, a rogue thug who weaponised an institutional blindness around racism which lead to a white boy's death.

It's the blundering stupidity and discrimination within the police force, amongst the staff, the training, the culture, the management that needs to land under the microscope here, imo.

Oh, and the institutional silence about this factor. I can only assume poor Zac Polanski is struck dumb with despair after witnessing the death of a freshly minted adult under the observation of brutal police over reach on this occasion?

I agree with your posts and add political failure which directs the police force.

@Pacificsunshine I agree with your conclusion - we are no longer talking about tiny minorities, but groups that in some areas are now in the majority, and often have very organised community voices.
Any perception of special privilege is just going to cause resentment and fuel tensions now.

I just heard a clip from KB, she mentioned not falling into tribalism. That’s what really scares me.

I am not British, and I have lived in developing countries. It’s shocking how quickly a society can go from everyone seeming to get on fine, to hacking up one’s neighbours. It feels like hubris to believe it can never happen here.

I should qualify that I am British now.

Clownshoes Lammy does it again - to post today of all days about the greater risk of prostate cancer to some demographic groups, with their plans for targetting said specific group.
Tone dead doesn't even begin to cover it.

I totally agree with this. But what I don’t understand is the institutionalised mentality that allows the government and the police force to not be able apply rational judgement when it comes to anti-racist training. Do they just read the script and then rush out and apply it? Looks like they do!

It is even wrong that there is such a thing. Who devises it and with whose consent and approval?

Years ago, when I worked in the NHS, because of bullying and some racial tension, this was at
the end of apartheid and black SA nurses came to work in the UK, an around the table introduction initiative was organised. Yes really! An anti-racist training session it would be called today, I suppose.

As if after months of this behaviour going on,
sitting in a big circle and saying “I am so and so,
and I am from this place” was going solve the problem.

When it came to my turn, I actually got up and walked out. Much to the understanding and approval of the SA nurses that some of us had befriended and welcomed immediately.

I think the other factor is that the police are probably terrified of racism accusations, and that any perception of racism might cost them their jobs.

He hasn't has he? 🫣
Good grief.

This man is actually a danger to himself and society. That is why Starmer keeps him on such a tight leash. But occasionally he opens his mouth and……