Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

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In the footage where the family statement is read out, they look destroyed by grief.
This and the Nottingham murders have really troubled me. Devastating losses where cherished children are starting their adults lives at university to their parents great pride, lives lost in the worst way imaginable and then everything compounded by official incompetence. Not forgetting poor Ian Coates either, whose son is facing equal distress. I've been following the Nottingham Inquiry and it's awful.

It’s utterly heartbreaking. And the silence so far.

Both cases involve poor decisions based on racial bias that is institutionally imbedded.

I haven't caught up with this thread and I should have said this earlier because it is actually in no way connected with the release of the footage

I don't understand why Henry's killer doesn't have the maximum 30 year tariff

The judge said some crap about previously being of good character and also said that he didn't set out to murder somebody that night

But he did murder somebody that night. And from what I can tell, he might well have murdered anyone he could find in the street that night - because his story of Henry barging into him turns out to be a lie, doesn't it? And the court reports last week said that he has a bedroom full of weapons.

Anyway, as I say, I haven't caught up but I'm going to guess that you've all seen it and heard it. So I should've made that point before

but then I never understand when murderers don't get a whole life tariff suppose

Silence in what way?

Keir Starmer has posted on X but the rumour mill is heavily suggesting that Lindsay Hoyle told him to do so.

From Labour politicians up to this point.

And another thing

The pathologist apparently commented that it was difficult to see the wound

This suggests to me that the killer knew exactly what he was doing. This is a seriously seriously dangerous man. I really want life to mean life, but frankly, I wouldn't mind if something happened to him in prison.

Oh right

Yeah, I'm not really paying attention to them

I wouldn't even know that Keir Starmer had posted except Patrick Christys reposted it.

@SapphireCasino also says that he was part of some group with swords but they disassociated themselves becusee of his behaviour.

I'm also wondering the real motive of the brother calling 999.

Looks like there has been some kind of intervention from Hoyle.

From Sky:-Earlier, the Speaker of the House of Commons confirmed that the government would be making a statement in the House of Commons about the case tomorrow.If they do not, Lindsay Hoyle said, he would find another way to compel a minister to come forward.

Wow, Lindsay Hoyle is left to run the country! What a shower.

Nigel Farage being broadcast speaking now about Henry Nowak. Sounding considerably more statesman/like than any of the shower supposedly in charge.

Maybe Starmer has had a meltdown and should be signed off sick.

Sounds like he is having to frogmarch them into action. It is disgraceful it has come to this.

As if there wasn't any love lost between Hoyle and Starmer already! 😬

Starmer seems too stunned by political events to lead much.

Ik they’re waiting for the by-election to strike but it’s bad.

I’m so upset by Henry’s death. Ik some of us have dc of similar ages, too distressing.

And we are back to the knives are bad narrative. But he died of a knife wound and of police discrimination engineered by a culture of myopia and cowardice. A government response that cannot accept both will be a tinderbox.

Its so terrible. I have a DD17 and my heart goes out to his family and friends.

Well said, agree.

Just heard someone on the radio dismiss any discussion of the racial element here. Why pretend its not relevant? Henry was arrested and cuffed after falsely being accused of racism.
She then deflected to talking about stop and search.
I think it was former Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale I was listening to.

I can't even watch the footage. I hate those grief vultures who intricate themselves with a victim's life. But having my own pale, beanpole for a son in his first year at uni, watching this one dying as a victim of a crime under the nose of the police who had him handcuffed and treated as an assailant...the news articles is about all I can stomach.

I watched the video this morning. It was horrible, and made worse by the obvious use of the race card to try and deflect blame. Gurpreet Digwa, the brother of the murderer, made the initial 999 call and is clearly heard telling the operator his brother had been attacked "racially". He knew exactly how to pull the strings and the police responded appropriately - probably in line with current guidance for fear of a George Floyd arrest and ensuing repercussions from "communities".

Lindsay Hoyle has apparently had to kick Starmer into giving a statement on this tragedy later today - and that says to me there's no hope of this current Government (I use the term loosely) addressing the elephant in the room.

Starmer seems too stunned by political events to lead much.

I’ve mused out loud on here before about Starmer’s psychology and personality. Sorry, I just can’t help it. He’s such an interesting study of a man who is so clearly unsuited to the job he schemed and pushed for.

It can’t be much fun being an objectively, embarrassingly terrible PM and being known universally in chat and song as “a wanker”. So why did he aim for it and why does he cling on like a limpet?

I recently heard somebody on the telly say that Starmer had always succeeded - education, music, sport, legal career - and he doesn’t have the insight to understand that he is really a very, very limited politician. I think there’s something in that.

But I’d express it a bit differently. Starmer’s major success has been in a very narrow field: I suspect that his time as a KC and DPP gave him a massively over-inflated view of himself and his ability. Which has blinded him to his severe limitations as a broader thinker and political manager. This lack of self-awareness, together with his horrible ambition, means we’ve ended up with a politically talentless nobody as PM, who’s cursed by being deaf to criticism and advice. He’s stunned now because he just can’t grasp that he’s useless.

An equally interesting question is why Labour MPs and supporters actually believed in Starmer in the first place - and some still do! You really have to turn a blind eye to his woeful judgement, his glaring evasions, his petulance, his nasty self-serving behaviour, his awful way of talking and the absence of any talent for inspiring voters, to have any belief in him at all.

Or perhaps there really is no-one better in Labour. 🤦‍♀️