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Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

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Nuthatch26 · 18/05/2026 10:16

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 12:45

Thanks for the FT piece @Bananarep. Loving their work atm. Shame it doesn't work well with archive.

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boys3 · Yesterday 12:48

No sign of those 6,500 new teachers either. Or perhaps I’ve missed that.🤔

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 12:51

boys3 · Yesterday 12:48

No sign of those 6,500 new teachers either. Or perhaps I’ve missed that.🤔

Ha, ikr. It was all a mirage. As Eastern said this morning, they just wreck things.

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Upstartled · Yesterday 12:59

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 12:51

Ha, ikr. It was all a mirage. As Eastern said this morning, they just wreck things.

I think those 6500 teachers were spun into limp toast.

boys3 · Yesterday 12:59

I do have to disagree with your client base assessment though @Bananarep

i think it if far more pernicious. The real client base is more the sizeable virtue signalling sub-section of the lanyard class. Obsessed with righting every wrong or inequality real or perceived - and primarily the latter, and of course funded by others, not them. The recent local election results pretty much demonstrated where Labour’s core support is located and who they are.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:07

boys3 · Yesterday 12:59

I do have to disagree with your client base assessment though @Bananarep

i think it if far more pernicious. The real client base is more the sizeable virtue signalling sub-section of the lanyard class. Obsessed with righting every wrong or inequality real or perceived - and primarily the latter, and of course funded by others, not them. The recent local election results pretty much demonstrated where Labour’s core support is located and who they are.

This is part of it. Shown by that 20 point drop in union members. That’s a sizeable chunk of workers going to Reform leaving the group you describe.

Ex-public sector seem to be stuck to Labour, some state dependent / benefits too.

Bananarep · Yesterday 13:14

boys3 · Yesterday 12:59

I do have to disagree with your client base assessment though @Bananarep

i think it if far more pernicious. The real client base is more the sizeable virtue signalling sub-section of the lanyard class. Obsessed with righting every wrong or inequality real or perceived - and primarily the latter, and of course funded by others, not them. The recent local election results pretty much demonstrated where Labour’s core support is located and who they are.

Fair comment, but Starmer has demonstrated that he is also beholden to the back benches - via their constituents (i.e. PIP u-turn etc). Note the geographical correlation with areas of low productivity/high unemployment.

As to the lanyard-class - many of them will be hit hard by what’s coming, and it’s always ultimately about money. They will not be spared. House values will correct - I predict circa 10% during the 12 months, even once exogenous/geopolitical events are less relevant.

TheNoWord · Yesterday 13:18

She just can’t help herself can she?

"Rachel Reeves is considering a return to Blair-style private sector deals to fund major building projects, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Chancellor has asked investors how private finance initiatives (PFIs) could be used in national infrastructure schemes, including Labour’s plan to build new towns.
Ms Reeves risks a backlash from the Left of the party, who say Sir Tony Blair’s use of PFIs left hospitals saddled with millions of pounds in interest repayments and schools locked into expensive maintenance contracts.
The Treasury, which is restricted by the Chancellor’s fiscal rules that prevent excessive borrowing and the increasing cost of public debt because of the war in Iran, has commissioned a research paper from the British Infrastructure Taskforce, a group of major investors, on the merits of the return of PFI.
The paper, seen by The Telegraph, recommends that the Treasury go further and use PFIs, now known as public-private partnerships (PPPs), to pay for infrastructure that would usually be taxpayer-funded, including in education, healthcare and defence."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/31/reeves-blair-style-pfis-fund-building-boom/

Property and construction industry

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property-and-construction-industry/

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 13:26

TheNoWord · Yesterday 13:18

She just can’t help herself can she?

"Rachel Reeves is considering a return to Blair-style private sector deals to fund major building projects, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Chancellor has asked investors how private finance initiatives (PFIs) could be used in national infrastructure schemes, including Labour’s plan to build new towns.
Ms Reeves risks a backlash from the Left of the party, who say Sir Tony Blair’s use of PFIs left hospitals saddled with millions of pounds in interest repayments and schools locked into expensive maintenance contracts.
The Treasury, which is restricted by the Chancellor’s fiscal rules that prevent excessive borrowing and the increasing cost of public debt because of the war in Iran, has commissioned a research paper from the British Infrastructure Taskforce, a group of major investors, on the merits of the return of PFI.
The paper, seen by The Telegraph, recommends that the Treasury go further and use PFIs, now known as public-private partnerships (PPPs), to pay for infrastructure that would usually be taxpayer-funded, including in education, healthcare and defence."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/31/reeves-blair-style-pfis-fund-building-boom/

Oh F off Reeves, then F off some more. Labour start malfunctioning if they can't spend spend spend.
Its like giving a credit card to a 5 year old.

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LupaMoonhowl · Yesterday 13:52

Bananarep · Yesterday 12:29

Another decent FT piece - Apols for the format….

Good morning. The big news story today is the latest release of files relating to Peter Mandelson’s appointment as UK ambassador to the US as well as official communications about and with him. However, I don’t anticipate writing much about it this week because in terms of the politics, I think the damage has been done. It has shattered many Labour MPs’ faith in Keir Starmer’s judgment and administrative ability — that is not going to change. Starmer’s initial explanation for why he both appointed and sacked him continues to have a huge hole in it, and sooner or later Kemi Badenoch is going to get him to commit a breach of the ministerial code defending himself. But she’s probably not going to manage to do that before the clock runs out on the Starmer premiership on June 18, when, whether Andy Burnham wins or loses the Makerfield by-election, the prime minister will face renewed and I think fatal pressure.

The more worthwhile thing going on — from an analyst’s perspective at least — is Alan Milburn’s review of youth unemployment. Some initial thoughts on that in today’s note. Inside Politics is edited by Georgina Quach. Follow Stephen on Bluesky and Georgina on Bluesky.

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From review to reform The Milburn review — which really is worth reading in full if you have the time — is a classic bit of New Labour policymaking, and not just because of its author, but because it follows the classic New Labour method of using reviews as an instrument to argue for policy change. The first review scopes out the problem, while the second goes through Milburn’s proposed solutions. He will hope that the intervening period will allow him and others in the political class and civic society to argue for the changes he wants, some of which will cost money, some of which will be controversial and some of which are both. As an early step, that the review has come out to praise from essentially all the key stakeholders and campaigners outside of government, is exactly what you’d want in his shoes. I anticipate that I will spend a lot of the next few months talking about it, but for today I just want to talk about his big picture argument, which is that a combination of policy choice and a changing economy has created a situation where we have higher numbers of young people who are “Neet” (not in education, employment or training) than elsewhere.

On the policy architecture problem: There are schools, colleges, local authorities, strategic authorities, Jobcentre Plus, DWP, integrated care boards, Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (CAMHS), GPs, Skills England, the Careers and Enterprise Company, youth services, voluntary organisations, Youth Hubs, housing providers, Special Educational Needs and Disabilities (SEND) teams and more. The Local Government Association has identified over 50 different national programmes led by 17 different public bodies holding some responsibility for tackling economic inactivity. In one town, Barnsley, that spaghetti soup comprised more than 70 local organisations doing the same.

Different institutions have different remits. It is inevitable that no single one can hold the ring on everything from early years to benefit payments. The problem is that each part of the system operates within its own funding stream and accountability framework. When a young person begins to struggle, they do not encounter a co-ordinated response. This “spaghetti soup” is further aggravated by a lack of funds. At a time of reducing budgets (which has been the reality for all state services other than the NHS, pensions and social care for a very long time now) your incentive becomes “how do I get this problem out of my budget?” rather than “how do I solve this problem by working across a silo or a department?” And as Milburn notes, AI and the pandemic have accelerated a shift away from the jobs that used to provide the entry-level “scaffolding” into work for young people: What made the pandemic different from a conventional economic shock was its social totality. It removed the informal scaffolding through which young people learn to navigate the adult world: Saturday jobs, after-school clubs, unstructured time with peers, first tentative encounters with workplaces and workplace norms.

Over the two decades before the pandemic, part-time employment among teenagers had already been declining. The traditional Saturday job in retail and hospitality, once a widespread feature of early labour market socialisation, had become less common. The pandemic accelerated this erosion to the point of elimination for an entire cohort . . .  Artificial intelligence and automation are likely to add further pressure to the entry-level labour market. Many of the roles most exposed are those that have traditionally provided a foothold for younger workers: administrative support, data entry, routine customer service and clerical work. Early evidence suggests that vacancies in more AI-exposed occupations are falling faster than in less exposed parts of the labour market, and US evidence points to weaker employment outcomes for younger workers in more exposed industries.

That ellipsis of mine really crunches down quite a lot of pages — it really is worth reading the report in full! The policy challenge here is that everything the government has done, has, quite deliberately, gone with the grain of this. Hiking the minimum wage and planning to equalise it for all ages, increasing employers’ NICs with the raise most heavily concentrated on the lowest-paid employees, the Employment Rights Act . . . these are all measures designed to encourage firms to invest in capital not to hire workers. There is some evidence that productivity is increasing and this may be down to the changes Labour has made, it may be a coincidence. However, regardless, it comes with human costs, one of which is a larger number of people who are Neet. This is not the only area where the implications of Milburn’s review go against the grain of government policy, both under this government and previous ones, but it is the one that is potentially the most embarrassing for Starmer’s administration. I’ll have more to say on that topic and others in the review in future newsletters.

It’s telling that they always find a crony to do these reviews to drive policy instead of actual companies that are a need for change/cost reduction/improved outcomes and employ the brightest Management Consultancy who work with actual functioning businesses to establish : issues/options/recommendations, and survive or die on outcomes.

MNLurker1345 · Yesterday 13:52

Sorry it’s long but I hat copied and pasted.
I am working.

Health Secretary: I changed my mind – trans women are not women
James Murray says he accepts difference between sex and gender and that single-sex spaces should be protected
James Murray previously said he defined women as ‘adult female and trans women’
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The Health Secretary has backtracked on his previous claim that trans women are women.
James Murray, who replaced Wes Streeting last month, previously said he defined women as “adult female and trans women”.
However, he has now claimed to have “changed what I would say” and that he accepts the difference between sex and gender.
Earlier this month, Bridget Phillipson published the long-awaited advice from the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC). It tells businesses and public bodies to bar trans women – biological men – from women’s toilets and changing facilities.
On Monday, Mr Murray was told by BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that Mr Streeting had changed his mind on trans rights.
Asked whether he had shifted his own position, Mr Murray responded: “Yeah, I have changed what I would say. I wouldn’t say that phrase any more. And I think that over the last few years a lot of us, myself included, have thought about this question in some detail.
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“The Supreme Court has obviously ruled very clearly that biological sex is what matters when it comes to the Equality Act and determining the importance of single-sex spaces.
“I believe that single-sex spaces should be protected on the basis of sex, on the basis of biological sex, whilst at the same time believing in dignity for trans people – recognising that sex and gender are different things, but being absolutely clear that single-sex spaces within the NHS, for instance, need to be protected on the basis of sex.”
Supreme Court ruling
In 2022, Mr Murray, who was then a shadow Treasury minister, was repeatedly asked to define what a woman was. He replied: “I believe that trans women are women.”
A Supreme Court ruling in April 2025 determined that the definition of a woman under the Equality Act 2010 should be based on biological sex.
Earlier this year, eight nurses from Darlington Memorial Hospital won an employment tribunal after a transgender colleague used their female changing room.
Mr Streeting had promised to meet the Darlington nurses after expressing his “incredible disappointment” that the NHS trust had “failed to respect [their] dignity”.
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Mr Murray once said that it was very important to debate trans rights in an interview in which he defended a transgender swimmer competing against female athletes.
PM shifted position on trans rights
Sir Keir Starmer has also shifted his position on trans rights in recent years, welcoming the Supreme Court ruling last year and promising that the Government would act in line with it.
However, in 2021 he claimed Rosie Duffield, the former Labour MP, was wrong to state that a man could not have a cervix.
Sir Keir later said “99.9 per cent” of women did not have a penis, and it was only during the 2024 election campaign that he said a man had a penis and a woman had a vagina.
Last week, campaigners warned that new transgender guidance approved by Labour risked putting women in danger.
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The updated code of practice from the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) states information about sex is sensitive and should be treated as “special category data”.
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Special category data refer to personal information that needs more protection because it is sensitive.
Women’s rights campaigners have warned that the guidelines misinterpret data protection laws and put women at risk of “unlawful harassment”.
This prompted the Government to open the door to rewriting the guidance just days after its publication, saying it was “looking into” the concerns raised by campaigners.
Prostate cancer screening
Earlier on in his morning media round on Monday, Mr Murray said the risks of introducing wider screening for prostate cancer might outweigh the benefits.
Last week, the UK National Screening Committee (NSC), which advises ministers, ruled that the vast majority of men should be denied screening for prostate cancer, although Mr Murray will make the final decision after discussions on Monday.
When asked by BBC Breakfast about the NSC’s recommendation, he said that he understood why a lot of men might have felt “disappointed and concerned”.
However, Mr Murray added: “What can happen with screening is that cells that are identified, they will be cancerous cells but they will not go on to become cancer and the risk of death.
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“If people then have the treatment to remove their prostate as a result of that screening, that can cause a whole range of other issues in their lives, a whole range of other harms.
“So for example, if you get your prostate removed, about 20 per cent of men then have urinary incontinence as a result of that, about two thirds of men have erectile dysfunction as a result of that, usually permanent. So there are quite big side effects...
“There is a danger that the harm of unnecessary treatment outweighs the benefits to the screening programme. That’s what the NSC has found, that’s what I’ll be discussing with the committee.”
Under the proposed guidance, only men with a cancer-causing form of the BRCA2 gene and a family history of certain cancers would be eligible for screening.
This would be despite the UK performing worse than many European countries on prostate cancer survival, ranking 17th out of 28 countries in one league table.
There are about 63,000 prostate cancer diagnoses and 12,000 deaths every year in the UK, making it the most common cancer in men.
However, it remains the only major cancer without a national screening programme, which research suggests could prevent about 1,500 deaths a year.
The Telegraph is calling for targeted screening so that men at the greatest risk – including black men, those with BRCA1 and BRCA2 gene variants, and those with a family history of the cancer – are offered tests.
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When told that he already seemed to have agreed with the NSC’s guidance, Mr Murray insisted he would have “no hesitation” if he felt the need to make a different decision.

SapphireCasino · Yesterday 13:56

If Labour want to start doing PFI again, isn't that an admission that they need private money? That the country needs private money? It's obviously also worrying in terms of mismanagement of public finances, but.... it's not like a Green utopia.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:15

We’re still paying the last PFI loans back. It’s just loading our dc with even more debt.

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 14:24

TheNoWord · Yesterday 13:18

She just can’t help herself can she?

"Rachel Reeves is considering a return to Blair-style private sector deals to fund major building projects, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Chancellor has asked investors how private finance initiatives (PFIs) could be used in national infrastructure schemes, including Labour’s plan to build new towns.
Ms Reeves risks a backlash from the Left of the party, who say Sir Tony Blair’s use of PFIs left hospitals saddled with millions of pounds in interest repayments and schools locked into expensive maintenance contracts.
The Treasury, which is restricted by the Chancellor’s fiscal rules that prevent excessive borrowing and the increasing cost of public debt because of the war in Iran, has commissioned a research paper from the British Infrastructure Taskforce, a group of major investors, on the merits of the return of PFI.
The paper, seen by The Telegraph, recommends that the Treasury go further and use PFIs, now known as public-private partnerships (PPPs), to pay for infrastructure that would usually be taxpayer-funded, including in education, healthcare and defence."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/31/reeves-blair-style-pfis-fund-building-boom/

She's a fucking idiot.

Google AI tells me there are 1400 fewer teachers now than in July 2024. 😬🤔

DancingFerret · Yesterday 14:33

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 14:24

She's a fucking idiot.

Google AI tells me there are 1400 fewer teachers now than in July 2024. 😬🤔

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It's crossed my mind more than once there's something very wrong with our voting system if someone of her (lack of) calibre can be put in charge of the UK's public and personal finances.

She was always going to a disaster.

Bananarep · Yesterday 14:42

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 14:24

She's a fucking idiot.

Google AI tells me there are 1400 fewer teachers now than in July 2024. 😬🤔

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And doubtless her policies have caused an acceleration in those leaving teaching.

She is a fucking idiot.

Bananarep · Yesterday 14:45

Starmer leaves Downing Street through back entrance
Sir Keir Starmer has been photographed leaving 10 Downing Street through the back door ahead of the release of the Mandelson files.
The Prime Minister’s official spokesman told journalists not to expect any public or media appearances from Sir Keir today.

What a cowardly piece of shit.

DancingFerret · Yesterday 14:45

DancingFerret · Yesterday 14:33

It's crossed my mind more than once there's something very wrong with our voting system if someone of her (lack of) calibre can be put in charge of the UK's public and personal finances.

She was always going to a disaster.

Apologies, I quoted the wrong post - I was referring to our esteemed Chancellor (although they're all out of the same mould).

Edit: Grammar

Unrivalled · Yesterday 14:46

BP, RR, they’re both awful and talentless.

LupaMoonhowl · Yesterday 14:47

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 14:24

She's a fucking idiot.

Google AI tells me there are 1400 fewer teachers now than in July 2024. 😬🤔

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😡😡

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 14:51

Bananarep · Yesterday 14:45

Starmer leaves Downing Street through back entrance
Sir Keir Starmer has been photographed leaving 10 Downing Street through the back door ahead of the release of the Mandelson files.
The Prime Minister’s official spokesman told journalists not to expect any public or media appearances from Sir Keir today.

What a cowardly piece of shit.

Nothing very dramatic so far, though.

Labour isn't Working - Thread 33
EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:54

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 14:51

Nothing very dramatic so far, though.

Are you still backing Labour?

Bananarep · Yesterday 15:00

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 14:51

Nothing very dramatic so far, though.

You want more Starmer drama?

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 15:02

Bananarep · Yesterday 14:45

Starmer leaves Downing Street through back entrance
Sir Keir Starmer has been photographed leaving 10 Downing Street through the back door ahead of the release of the Mandelson files.
The Prime Minister’s official spokesman told journalists not to expect any public or media appearances from Sir Keir today.

What a cowardly piece of shit.

He certainly is.

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KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 15:05

Bananarep · Yesterday 15:00

You want more Starmer drama?

There has been a lot of build up to this release, so was hoping for something a bit juicier. But early days yet. Eastern- I am not a Labour voter, if that is what you mean. I am also not a Starmer fan.