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Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

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Nuthatch26 · 18/05/2026 10:16

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Unrivalled · Yesterday 08:53

Although of course reform is going to have issues keeping hold of disparate support, unless they can do that elusive thing and build a platform of policy that appeals across the usual groups…

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:00

Bananarep · Yesterday 08:17

Disclosure Day.

And no, not the forthcoming Spielberg blockbuster.

Hopefully, something to further humiliate our hapless clown PM.

It stinks already! They're using the police investigation as an excuse not to release files to the ISC (who exist exactly for this purpose and have never suffered a leak). Parliament is sovereign ffs.

Keep key Mandelson files private, say police

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0a0828bb9dcf150a

Keep key Mandelson files private, say police

Documents relating to peer’s appointment as US ambassador set to be released on Monday

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0a0828bb9dcf150a

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:03

EasternStandard · Yesterday 08:04

Just heard this on the radio. Big drop.

Reform UK is as popular as Labour among trade union members, polling has shown.

The survey shows the two parties tied on 28 per cent support among unionised workers, and Sir Keir Starmer’s party has suffered a 20 point drop in support since the election.

Blimey, that is a big drop.
Aren't the union bosses encouraging the govt to tack left? I don't pay any attention to them tbh as I find them utterly batshit.

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:05

Times reporting that Darren pocket money Jones is weighing up a leadership bid.

Just reading through today's news, and it's noticeable how completely irrelevant Starmer has become.

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:09

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 08:45

I have some stats from other European coutries, and yes certain nationalities do have far higher per capita rates when measured against an eg German baseline (and certain have lower, like Japanese nationals) - but that being said, if I had to guess, I'd say that wouldn't be the main or only reason?

That said, there's always a big spike in sexual violence in areas around the asylum hotels - central Glasgow is a current case in point.

Yep, but we're supposed to gaslight ourselves into believing than men arriving from highly misogynistic cultures become angels as soon as their feet touch British soil.

We don't collect the data, because we don't want the answer. Other countries have as you say, and the evidence is there.

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:22

The government’s flagship VAT raid on independent education has triggered a collapse of larger private schools, according to data that undermines ministers’ claims the policy has had only a limited effect on the sector.

Historically, failures were concentrated among small prep schools with weak finances and falling pupil rolls, but experts say that pattern has shifted.

Although closure numbers have fluctuated in recent years — from 66 in 2021 to a peak of 85 in 2023 before falling to 71 in 2025 — analysts say such movements are not unusual.
What is unprecedented, however, is the size of the schools now going under. Even during the pandemic, which hit schools reliant on overseas boarders particularly hard, the average size of failed schools did not reach the levels seen since VAT was imposed on fees.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/9df3b63f-6135-4631-91d7-1fc996eacbcc?shareToken=54d378d404b0814921c84f0d7d2e8e22

Larger private schools begin to close after VAT raids

Since the introduction of a 20 per cent charge on school fees, more mid-sized independent schools than usual have begun to buckle, analysis shows

https://www.thetimes.com/article/9df3b63f-6135-4631-91d7-1fc996eacbcc?shareToken=54d378d404b0814921c84f0d7d2e8e22

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EasternStandard · Yesterday 09:27

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:22

The government’s flagship VAT raid on independent education has triggered a collapse of larger private schools, according to data that undermines ministers’ claims the policy has had only a limited effect on the sector.

Historically, failures were concentrated among small prep schools with weak finances and falling pupil rolls, but experts say that pattern has shifted.

Although closure numbers have fluctuated in recent years — from 66 in 2021 to a peak of 85 in 2023 before falling to 71 in 2025 — analysts say such movements are not unusual.
What is unprecedented, however, is the size of the schools now going under. Even during the pandemic, which hit schools reliant on overseas boarders particularly hard, the average size of failed schools did not reach the levels seen since VAT was imposed on fees.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/9df3b63f-6135-4631-91d7-1fc996eacbcc?shareToken=54d378d404b0814921c84f0d7d2e8e22

Predictable and depressing. They just wrecked stuff.

Upstartled · Yesterday 09:33

James Murray has stepped back from is twaw belief now, he revealed today on R4. It has taken a supreme court ruling and an eye on the voting population to identify his arsehole from his elbow but apparently he got there in the end. Labour: Don't like these opinions? No worries, we have new ones.

Apparently everyone feels a bit foolish when they can accept that the king was never wearing any clothes. I suppose we should let everyone row back to reality with good grace but we'd be idiots to forget how weak minded and easily persuaded those in government can be.

CandidLurker · Yesterday 09:47

Typically the union leaders are drawing the incorrect conclusion from the voting intention thing. They believe it shows that union members want more money spent on welfare. However almost everyone now seems to be accepting that the country cannot afford to be throwing money at net zero schemes when we can’t afford defence

Sarahconnor1 · Yesterday 09:47

Its has cost women so much, time, money, energy and jobs to get to get us to this point.

Its makes me absolutely furious to think what was needed in order for the Government to recognise the obvious, that the emporior was stark naked.

Upstartled · Yesterday 09:49

Oh yes, that's what working people with a trade union membership want, higher taxes! 😂

Upstartled · Yesterday 09:54

Sarahconnor1 · Yesterday 09:47

Its has cost women so much, time, money, energy and jobs to get to get us to this point.

Its makes me absolutely furious to think what was needed in order for the Government to recognise the obvious, that the emporior was stark naked.

Agreed, our rights were systematically dismantled by back door campaigning and institutional capture though the power of wormtongue trickery and cowardice. It beggars belief.

Bananarep · Yesterday 10:04

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:22

The government’s flagship VAT raid on independent education has triggered a collapse of larger private schools, according to data that undermines ministers’ claims the policy has had only a limited effect on the sector.

Historically, failures were concentrated among small prep schools with weak finances and falling pupil rolls, but experts say that pattern has shifted.

Although closure numbers have fluctuated in recent years — from 66 in 2021 to a peak of 85 in 2023 before falling to 71 in 2025 — analysts say such movements are not unusual.
What is unprecedented, however, is the size of the schools now going under. Even during the pandemic, which hit schools reliant on overseas boarders particularly hard, the average size of failed schools did not reach the levels seen since VAT was imposed on fees.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/9df3b63f-6135-4631-91d7-1fc996eacbcc?shareToken=54d378d404b0814921c84f0d7d2e8e22

God, I utterly despise this government.

I mean, it’s visceral.

MNLurker1345 · Yesterday 10:10

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:05

Times reporting that Darren pocket money Jones is weighing up a leadership bid.

Just reading through today's news, and it's noticeable how completely irrelevant Starmer has become.

The party/government is paralysed and deeply wounded.

I wonder if Starmer has a therapist.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 10:49

MNLurker1345 · Yesterday 10:10

The party/government is paralysed and deeply wounded.

I wonder if Starmer has a therapist.

Yes they are, and its unsustainable. There are rumours that Labour want to continue this ridiculous stasis until conference in the Autumn. Country before party my arse.
Starmer has been invisible for the past week. He's also expected to be 'away' during the week of the by election. What's the point of him?

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 10:52

Bananarep · Yesterday 10:04

God, I utterly despise this government.

I mean, it’s visceral.

Same

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HowdoyoureallyKnow · Yesterday 11:08

@EasternStandard i saw that in the times re union support ! It doesn't surprise me one bit ,I am with one and it doesn't speak to me at all.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:26

HowdoyoureallyKnow · Yesterday 11:08

@EasternStandard i saw that in the times re union support ! It doesn't surprise me one bit ,I am with one and it doesn't speak to me at all.

Yep. Labour won’t get it though as usual.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:28

Bananarep · Yesterday 10:04

God, I utterly despise this government.

I mean, it’s visceral.

Ik what wasters they are. They wreck stuff.

The only silver lining is how much they don’t have the electorate on side, losing to everyone everywhere.

boys3 · Yesterday 11:56

CandidLurker · Yesterday 09:47

Typically the union leaders are drawing the incorrect conclusion from the voting intention thing. They believe it shows that union members want more money spent on welfare. However almost everyone now seems to be accepting that the country cannot afford to be throwing money at net zero schemes when we can’t afford defence

To add typically union leaders are elected with a single digit percentage of membership votes. Completely disconnected from the people they purport to respresent. And if anyone can find a poorly remunerated union leader…..do share!

Bananarep · Yesterday 12:29

Another decent FT piece - Apols for the format….

Good morning. The big news story today is the latest release of files relating to Peter Mandelson’s appointment as UK ambassador to the US as well as official communications about and with him. However, I don’t anticipate writing much about it this week because in terms of the politics, I think the damage has been done. It has shattered many Labour MPs’ faith in Keir Starmer’s judgment and administrative ability — that is not going to change. Starmer’s initial explanation for why he both appointed and sacked him continues to have a huge hole in it, and sooner or later Kemi Badenoch is going to get him to commit a breach of the ministerial code defending himself. But she’s probably not going to manage to do that before the clock runs out on the Starmer premiership on June 18, when, whether Andy Burnham wins or loses the Makerfield by-election, the prime minister will face renewed and I think fatal pressure.

The more worthwhile thing going on — from an analyst’s perspective at least — is Alan Milburn’s review of youth unemployment. Some initial thoughts on that in today’s note. Inside Politics is edited by Georgina Quach. Follow Stephen on Bluesky and Georgina on Bluesky.

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From review to reform The Milburn review — which really is worth reading in full if you have the time — is a classic bit of New Labour policymaking, and not just because of its author, but because it follows the classic New Labour method of using reviews as an instrument to argue for policy change. The first review scopes out the problem, while the second goes through Milburn’s proposed solutions. He will hope that the intervening period will allow him and others in the political class and civic society to argue for the changes he wants, some of which will cost money, some of which will be controversial and some of which are both. As an early step, that the review has come out to praise from essentially all the key stakeholders and campaigners outside of government, is exactly what you’d want in his shoes. I anticipate that I will spend a lot of the next few months talking about it, but for today I just want to talk about his big picture argument, which is that a combination of policy choice and a changing economy has created a situation where we have higher numbers of young people who are “Neet” (not in education, employment or training) than elsewhere.

On the policy architecture problem: There are schools, colleges, local authorities, strategic authorities, Jobcentre Plus, DWP, integrated care boards, Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (CAMHS), GPs, Skills England, the Careers and Enterprise Company, youth services, voluntary organisations, Youth Hubs, housing providers, Special Educational Needs and Disabilities (SEND) teams and more. The Local Government Association has identified over 50 different national programmes led by 17 different public bodies holding some responsibility for tackling economic inactivity. In one town, Barnsley, that spaghetti soup comprised more than 70 local organisations doing the same.

Different institutions have different remits. It is inevitable that no single one can hold the ring on everything from early years to benefit payments. The problem is that each part of the system operates within its own funding stream and accountability framework. When a young person begins to struggle, they do not encounter a co-ordinated response. This “spaghetti soup” is further aggravated by a lack of funds. At a time of reducing budgets (which has been the reality for all state services other than the NHS, pensions and social care for a very long time now) your incentive becomes “how do I get this problem out of my budget?” rather than “how do I solve this problem by working across a silo or a department?” And as Milburn notes, AI and the pandemic have accelerated a shift away from the jobs that used to provide the entry-level “scaffolding” into work for young people: What made the pandemic different from a conventional economic shock was its social totality. It removed the informal scaffolding through which young people learn to navigate the adult world: Saturday jobs, after-school clubs, unstructured time with peers, first tentative encounters with workplaces and workplace norms.

Over the two decades before the pandemic, part-time employment among teenagers had already been declining. The traditional Saturday job in retail and hospitality, once a widespread feature of early labour market socialisation, had become less common. The pandemic accelerated this erosion to the point of elimination for an entire cohort . . .  Artificial intelligence and automation are likely to add further pressure to the entry-level labour market. Many of the roles most exposed are those that have traditionally provided a foothold for younger workers: administrative support, data entry, routine customer service and clerical work. Early evidence suggests that vacancies in more AI-exposed occupations are falling faster than in less exposed parts of the labour market, and US evidence points to weaker employment outcomes for younger workers in more exposed industries.

That ellipsis of mine really crunches down quite a lot of pages — it really is worth reading the report in full! The policy challenge here is that everything the government has done, has, quite deliberately, gone with the grain of this. Hiking the minimum wage and planning to equalise it for all ages, increasing employers’ NICs with the raise most heavily concentrated on the lowest-paid employees, the Employment Rights Act . . . these are all measures designed to encourage firms to invest in capital not to hire workers. There is some evidence that productivity is increasing and this may be down to the changes Labour has made, it may be a coincidence. However, regardless, it comes with human costs, one of which is a larger number of people who are Neet. This is not the only area where the implications of Milburn’s review go against the grain of government policy, both under this government and previous ones, but it is the one that is potentially the most embarrassing for Starmer’s administration. I’ll have more to say on that topic and others in the review in future newsletters.

Pacificsunshine · Yesterday 12:38

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 09:22

The government’s flagship VAT raid on independent education has triggered a collapse of larger private schools, according to data that undermines ministers’ claims the policy has had only a limited effect on the sector.

Historically, failures were concentrated among small prep schools with weak finances and falling pupil rolls, but experts say that pattern has shifted.

Although closure numbers have fluctuated in recent years — from 66 in 2021 to a peak of 85 in 2023 before falling to 71 in 2025 — analysts say such movements are not unusual.
What is unprecedented, however, is the size of the schools now going under. Even during the pandemic, which hit schools reliant on overseas boarders particularly hard, the average size of failed schools did not reach the levels seen since VAT was imposed on fees.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/9df3b63f-6135-4631-91d7-1fc996eacbcc?shareToken=54d378d404b0814921c84f0d7d2e8e22

I notice that the Times has not opened up comments on this one. I don’t think Bridget and colleagues will be that bothered about the net loss to society (tax payers, workers, children). Private schools being pushed to bankruptcy is a feature not a bug.

Bananarep · Yesterday 12:40

Pacificsunshine · Yesterday 12:38

I notice that the Times has not opened up comments on this one. I don’t think Bridget and colleagues will be that bothered about the net loss to society (tax payers, workers, children). Private schools being pushed to bankruptcy is a feature not a bug.

Agree, it’s part of a pattern - shutter private schools, drive out the productive, compress house prices.

A race to the bottom, just so they can continue to serve their client base - the welfare crowd.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 12:44

Pacificsunshine · Yesterday 12:38

I notice that the Times has not opened up comments on this one. I don’t think Bridget and colleagues will be that bothered about the net loss to society (tax payers, workers, children). Private schools being pushed to bankruptcy is a feature not a bug.

BP will be celebrating this.

I can see comments? I'll share another link if you want to try again, there are over 1000 comments.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/private-schools-collapse-vat-tax-m0tsnrk77

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EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:45

Pacificsunshine · Yesterday 12:38

I notice that the Times has not opened up comments on this one. I don’t think Bridget and colleagues will be that bothered about the net loss to society (tax payers, workers, children). Private schools being pushed to bankruptcy is a feature not a bug.

Yep some will be happy to hear it. Nasty stuff re education.