Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5528337-labour-isnt-working-thread-32?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

@SapphireCasino I suspect we probably did see the same source then, and worryingly he sounds pretty restrained compared to the comments.
The only saving grace in this whole disgraceful mess has been finding the killer guilty of murder, but a lenient sentence is going to tip people over the edge imo.

They already do that lenient treatment of under 25s in Scotland and it's a disaster. A bus driver in Elgin was murdered by a teenager in 2024, and the killer was released earlier this month. So that's great for the poor man's family.

I can't believe we're having sentencing laws based in some thick as mince politician's poor understanding of a single badly-reported study, where 25 was the cut off because that was the cut off age for study participants rather than some magical finding.

As do some Labour MPs. Except when it's Labour changing leader / PM!

Ain't no hypocrite like a left wing hypocrite!

There hasn't been much on msm.
Again, if the situation was reversed, there would be threads on here about it. Speaks volumes imo.
My heart goes out to the victim's family. I can't imagine how it must feel knowing the circumstances of his death. He was murdered, yet he died in handcuffs. Awful.

Haha, yes Rayner springs to mind. I have a screenshot. 😉
What's good for the goose...

I miss Rishi Sunak

I hadn't heard of this until recently. It's absolutely horrendous. Have the IPCC been involved at any point? Surely the inquest raised the issue even if nobody else did? It's baffling how it's stayed under the radar.

There's always a tweet!

The statement from the Sikh community organisations is bloody awful as well - apparently they're somehow the victims in all of this.

https://x.com/Guramitsingh01/status/2060046317351477705

AB will have to call a general election because he is campaigning on the argument that Starmerism has failed and that he will “regain the Labour Party and bring it back to its heartlands” which I believe he is sincere about.

But AB cannot realistically govern under KS’s mandate. If he wins the by-election, launches a leadership challenge and succeeds, there is still a long and difficult road ahead. They are politically oppositional projects. The fractured Labour coalition would struggle to survive it.

It hasn't stayed under the radar, though

Like many other things, it's not been reported in MSM. That doesn't make it under the radar at all. I don't really look at MSM and I'm sure a lot of people don't. The rare occasion I do look at it it's because I've seen something else that led me to look it up.

@SpaceRaccoon I didn't realise Scotland had already enforced it. It's just insane.

agree, that statement really isn't going to help.

And the so-called knife crime laws really need to be revisited.

If Rayner wins, she will absolutely have to call a GE, given her previous tweet! 😬🙈🤣

I disagree. If it's not in the MSM, then to all intents and purposes it's under the radar. IMO.

I'm the opposite, I don't look at social media. I read The Times mainly, some DT, some Guardian, radio, and Sky news. My IG algorithm wouldn't lead me to it either. Its mainly my hobbies on there.
One of the good things about this thread is that it allows us to pool info from various sources.

In case anyone's interested

The 27 versus 1 in terms of employment for under 25s

... that figure apparently runs from 2020 and has been supplied by the Centre for Social Justice

www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/newsroom/27-young-non-eu-migrants-hired-for-every-young-brit-since-2020-analysis-reveals

Thanks, that must be what the interview I half heard was about. Its a shocking figure even over that time frame.

@Nuthatch26 yes it is

I should've said, I also think it's a shocking figure. It confirms what a lot of us already know.

www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/newsroom/27-young-non-eu-migrants-hired-for-every-young-brit-since-2020-analysis-reveals

They have said themselves that it is very clear that immigration is having a massive impact on the home employment chances of British young people.

I agree - most people I know look at the BBC and assume that they report impartially on all public interest items -not so!!!
British (leftie) Biased Corporation.
Never watch it at home and indeed don’t have
A TV licence.
I’ ve only recently started using X and YouTube where all this shocking stuff IS reported.

I've just discovered that Keir Starmer has a substack. Who knew? Probably all of you on this thread 🥰

I had no idea

I honestly think most people realised that fact long before the Centre for Social Justice spelt it out for them. It's a ticking time bomb and any government, not just the clowns currently destroying the UK, ignores at its peril.

@DancingFerret yes that's what I said in my post

I could say a lot more to be honest, but I better not. 🤐

Isn't that the nub of the problem, though? People don't want to voice what they really think for fear of retribution or worse. In a crowd of like-minded individuals that fear subsides and is replaced with a sense of purpose - basically a tipping point which may or may not be capable of being controlled.

Unemployment, stupidly high taxes, the dumbing down of education: I really don't think Starmer and his merry band of incompetents recognise the magnitude of public resentment and hostility simmering dangerously close to the surface.

Also throw into the equation the imminent threat to food security caused by the ongoing closure of the SoH. Either the government is hoping it will go away or they have a cunning plan to overcome it, the details of which will be announced as necessary. My money's on the former.

Anyone who thinks Labour is capable of, or willing to, look after the public is deluded. They're in it to feather their own nests and further their batsh1t ideologies.

But also poses the question, are our young people ready for work.

When considered that the non EU employed migrants, employed in higher numbers than young Brits, have left homes, travelled across continents with a goal, they are more determined to take what is on offer and to try to succeed at all costs.

The figures are shocking. What I see is missing from this report and the wider debate is an explicit call on accountability of parenting.

The report addresses all of its found causes; MH, work experience, low school attendance, easy access to benefits, availability of apprenticeships and employers not wanting to employ inexperienced young workers,

but does not explicitly reference family culture, which in western countries is a very complex matter and surely does have an impact on how we ready our young people for the world beyond childhood.

We in the west are ready to look to economic causes of low employment figures, availability of of jobs, which government is in power; which is implicitly relevant, but are we equally able to
look at ourselves and consider how we prepare our young people for the big wide world of work, because if we think we can address the problem when they are 17, 18 or 19, surely we have miss the boat.

Yes, probably. This issue seems to be too big to comprehend. But on one hand we have engineered a forever youth structurally by making the barriers to entry into jobs and housing too high.

On the other, we have a set of attitudes about the role of parents as the flatteners of all discomfort - and I expect that does kids a huge disservice when independence and competence is built by overcoming and sometimes enduring adversity. (Have a read of any thread about having to share a bedroom with a sibling or sending kids to walk school on a hot/ windy/ snowy day for reference of how low the bar is for having to save children from inconvenience).

It doesn't help that the generation raising these newly minted adults, were afforded the luxury of a slow entry into adulthood, riding on the back of improving economies, who are horrified at the thought of youngsters getting married/ having kids/ setting down permanent roots too quickly - and all those other things that sacrifice freedom for stability.

Anyway, I agree. And some of it I expect I have been guilty of too. The definition of being a good mother, especially has been remodelled into one of removing most, if not all risk and therefore all avenues of risk that might promote growth.

But then it, it does feel like a riskier world to send them off into and that's not helped by a wall of doom news feed beemed into our homes at will.

I'm waffling. I'm sure once I have a coffee I could crowbar a comprehensive thought out of all that but it's beyond me right now.

Completely agree.
After a business career I worked for 8 years as a secondary school teacher and the mollycoddling of the kids by both parents and teachers is really depressing.