Labour isn't Working - Thread 33

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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We always had those people but they usually dossed about with jobs in hospitality and then took off for long jaunts and did that until they grew up and got a proper job (and then complained that the housing market left them for dust). There just isn't that buffer zone now.

I find that shocking

It's even higher than I thought it was

I am wondering what the reason is though

I am always very concerned about extended adolescence - but that's what we used to call it about 10 or 15 years ago. What kind of age group was under discussion?

So I also would like to know where the British born job applicants are. Are they not being hired? Are they going to university instead?

I feel I should only comment on the very small area I live in so that's what I'll do. Round here, I would say there is a big element of feeling that university is the only option or feeling that certain jobs are beneath you.

My mum has carers and it's extremely rare to see a British born carer. I don't think we can keep blaming that one on pay.

I always thought it was odd that when Starmer ever said anything about immigration, his first target seemed to be carers. That seems to be one area where we really can't recruit.

Are you saying it's not the economy's fault, it's his fault for not trying hard enough?

On LBC they had a phone in about it and one youngster degree said they won't give me a job becsuee I have no experience and he said I'd work for 5 an hour if necessary to break the no experience no job cycle. !!

And then you’ve got young people with high‑functioning autism or ADHD choosing not to work and claiming PIP instead. It just feels like something in the system has gone wrong, and it needs to stop

PIP is not an income replacement benefit and has nothing to do with employment status.

I agree and the anxious moniker annoyed me.

Apologies, I only half heard it as I was at work. The general discussion was about young people, so I presume his figures were based on 16-24 yo.
@EasternStandard may have heard more than I did.

I don't know if there's a way to find previous interviews on YouTube or something, but he was speaking on Times Radio as I wrote my post this morning.

Same. @Upstartled wrote a much more measured response than I could have mustered!

@SheDemon, I have my own business, would I employ him, to do odd jobs, yes, as I have done. To work in my business? No. He doesn’t have much drive.

The economy is difficult right now. We have a work economy that leans heavily towards services and admin. Due to advances in technology and Ai these jobs are precarious.

But I do still believe that agency matters and young people do have to adapt, retrain, move, hustle even, lower expectations or start something themselves.

Good grief. I've been catching up with the news from Scotland.
Kirsten Oswald has been elected as an MSP, and is now the victims minister. WTAF! This is the MP who was photographed at a rally with a "decapitate terfs" sign featuring a lovely drawing of a guillotine behind her.
Victims minister?!?!
There are calls for her resignation after she apparently acted as Murrell's 'stooge'.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b6dd4c6b-7766-4f43-a1bc-f02b402fe4d9?shareToken=3bf46a13128934e4203a8c9ff84e6ec3

Thanks for the honest answer. My DS struggled a lot with job applications but thankfully got one immediately after his masters. He was trying so hard with applications and was so grateful for the success.

He's been working now for a few years and doing well in it.

Your DSs, as is my DDs stories are what we want for all young people.

It is a very complex situation and it is scary.

"Alan Milburn presenting his (government-sanctioned) review of youngsters who aren’t in education, employment or training — a grim policy failure that whoever ends up in charge of Labour will have to reckon with.” Politico London Playbook.

I'm very glad that Henry Nowak's killer has been found guilty of murder, and his mother found guilty of assisting an offender. His story about racism and self-defence was described as "wicked lies" in court. I hope he gets sent down for a very long time.

I do think the police still have a strong case to answer for their actions though.

Some interesting points about young people and unemployment, and I think it's probably a bit of everything being mooted. What it absolutely is, though, is a bloody disaster.

No surprises here. I was never a fan of disingenuous Burnham in the first place; he and ZP are well matched, IMO.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/13ae45ec448f35be

He must be mad. Or desperate.

The Greens are weird and obnoxious. They’re so far away from rational politics you might as well form a pact with David Icke’s followers or the Scientologists.

Gosh, would we like a side salad of raw antisemitism with our main course of fiscal incompetence? Burnham: Don't mind if we do. FFS.

That is just an absolute nightmare scenario. It's also one that no-one actually voted for.

@SpaceRaccoon
I do think the police still have a strong case to answer for their actions though

I agree - what a shocking story but I don’t suppose the police officers involved will suffer any consequences. Even if they are criticised they’ll just say ‘we were told racism trumps everything else’.

I've seen a shocking transcription of the video footage that was played in court. No official/respectable source though so I won't link it.

@SpaceRaccoon I think I've seen that too, but I would say the source is questionable - but I also feel a bit unfair for saying that.

Anyway, I didn't read it thoroughly and I'm still unclear whether the officers realised that Henry was bleeding when they handcuffed him

It is shocking. I don't know if I've interpreted it correctly, but I think the blade that was used falls outside of what is covered by the law on carrying knives.

My understanding of the law is that knives below less than 50 cm in length aren't covered? If I've got that right, it's pathetic! I always just thought you weren't allowed to carry a knife.

add this into what David Lammy wants, was that reported officially - with treating under 25s as if they're under 18 - and it's all just horrific. I don't understand why the country gets easier and easier on crime.

Agree. Are the officers involved claiming that they didn't know that he'd been stabbed multiple times? How can that be? He'd been stabbed in his chest and both legs.
I'm shocked at how little coverage this has had. If the situations were reversed, there would be riots.

Joy 🙄
A nice reminder of how much worse things could get if the left retain power. On what planet are Burnham and/or Polanski fit to lead a G7 country?
Stop the train, I want to get off.

This is why I favour a GE. If AB manages to make it to PM he could have the odious and dangerous ZP on his shoulder - and that would be unthinkable.

It's bad enough the current bunch lied to get elected and then set about working to their (very well) hidden agenda. AB and ZP weren't even on the horizon in 2024. If they gain any sort of power the idea that the UK is run as a democracy will be dead in the water.

Some people would contend democracy is already dead; that we live in a dictatorship. Current UK politics frighten me.

I'm quite concerned there might be riots.

I've been very aware of it because it's all over social media, but I presume the mainstream media haven't covered it.

I wondered if the lack of clarity was due to restrictions being put on media reporting

I wonder if the truth will come out

I do have some thoughts on the matter, but don't want to speculate here because I find it rather tasteless and I know from experience how unfair it is when you're reading about someone you know who has died.

Surprised there isn't a thread. Not that I would participate in it. His loved ones must be beyond outraged.

I agree with you.
I actually think there should be a GE after any change of PM, except in extreme circumstances. Mandate and consent are important to me.
I also think there should be a by-election when an MP defects.